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Graham Bullough  
#1 Posted : 19 January 2013 12:47:03(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

According to a newspaper report yesterday the beefburgers suspected as "contaminated" with horse meat and therefore removed from supermarket shelves earlier in the week will be recycled rather than sent to landfill. The 10 million or so beefburgers are being sent to anaerobic digestion plants to produce fertiliser and biogas fuel which is harnessed to generate electricity.

Fellow enthusiasts for the re-using/recycling of waste will be pleased to learn that the report added that supermarkets routinely send to such plants the foods which they cannot sell or donate for human consumption, e.g. because they have exceeded their sell or use by dates. Considering the cost of waste disposal by landfill (including landfill tax), the recycling of food in this manner is eminently sensible in various respects.

In relation to OS&H can any forum users with knowledge of supermarkets and/or recycling firms advise whether or not the foodstuffs sent for anaerobic digestion have to be manually removed from their packaging, especially those with plastic wrappers or bags which do not break down during the digestion process? One factor which prompts me to ask about this is that my local council operates weekly collections of garden waste and unwanted food from households. As the stuff is sent for anaerobic digestion the council is very insistent that no plastic is included except for the biodegradable food waste bags which it issues freely to householders.

Also, if packaging does have to be removed manually from waste food destined for recycling, are perishable foods kept refrigerated in order to try and minimise deterioriation beforehand? If not, should we commiserate with employees who have the highly unenviable task of working with smelly decaying waste foods?

I had intended to add the above points to the existing thread about beefburgers only to find that it had been locked this morning after being deemed a "super Friday" thread. Therefore, though some humour is welcome, PLEASE can responders refrain from using this new thread as a means of continuing with the horse-related jokes? If not, it runs the risk of being locked on the same grounds as the beefburger thread and thus hinders sensible discussion of the OS&H aspects.
Jake  
#2 Posted : 19 January 2013 17:31:33(UTC)
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Jake

I work for a national retailer, we have recycling manager who knows the ins an outs but I'm aware of the basic recycling processes.

We send no food waste to landfill (landfill is the most expensive method of disposal and we have our company environmental objectives to achieve).

Disposal via Anaerobic Digestion (AD) is very popular these days, we have 8 warehouses and all 8 send the vast majority of food waste to AD. It may depend on who collects the waste and what plant it goes to, but we are not required to remove the packaging. Presumably further processing occurs, and presumably because we don't remove the packaging we have to pay more (or get less £££ per tonne of waste).

The only waste food that is not sent to AD is bread and cakes and Fruit and Veg, the process varies from site to site but these either go to a farm for animal feed or a rendering plant for pet food.

For food identified at the warehouse that is still safe to eat but past best before we pass to localised charities. Due to business processes, we can't do that for similar waste from the stores.

Despite not required to remove packaging, it's still a messy task!
johnmurray  
#3 Posted : 19 January 2013 17:44:52(UTC)
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johnmurray

Jake  
#4 Posted : 19 January 2013 18:10:27(UTC)
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Jake

johnmurray wrote:
http://www.pdm-group.co.uk/anaerobic_digestion/food-waste-recycling.html


Ooh my companies name is quoted on their website! (which is unusual as the standard policy is to not give consent..!)
aland76  
#5 Posted : 21 January 2013 08:28:21(UTC)
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aland76

Graham Bullough wrote:
In relation to OS&H can any forum users with knowledge of supermarkets and/or recycling firms advise whether or not the foodstuffs sent for anaerobic digestion have to be manually removed from their packaging, especially those with plastic wrappers or bags which do not break down during the digestion process? One factor which prompts me to ask about this is that my local council operates weekly collections of garden waste and unwanted food from households. As the stuff is sent for anaerobic digestion the council is very insistent that no plastic is included except for the biodegradable food waste bags which it issues freely to householders.

Also, if packaging does have to be removed manually from waste food destined for recycling, are perishable foods kept refrigerated in order to try and minimise deterioriation beforehand? If not, should we commiserate with employees who have the highly unenviable task of working with smelly decaying waste foods?


I've worked with AD in various guises for a while now, my previous role being process technician on a food-waste AD plant.
In this particular installation the majority of food came in on pallets with all plastic packaging and cardboard intact, the heavy cardboard was manually stripped for recycling and the food (c/w plastic/thin cardboard) was stockpiled ready for feeding.
Everything was run through shredders and presses to 'squeeze' the foodstuff away from the packaging, the feed then going to process whilst none-organics were washed to further remove food, before going to recycling/landfill.

I can also confirm that waste is generally not refridgerated (costs would be huge on a 400ton+ stockpile), and yes, I was one of those who went home stinking on a friday and still couldn't remove the smell until well into sunday!

Hope this answers your question Graham :)
Graham Bullough  
#6 Posted : 22 January 2013 17:37:51(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Many thanks to those who have responded with information. Especial thanks to AlanD with your direct knowledge of anaerobic digestion (AD) plants, including how foodstuff residues are extracted by the washing of packaging materials after most of their contents have been extracted by the shredding and squeezing processes. In view of the volumes involved it's understandable that refrigeration of putrescible waste foodstuffs is considered too costly. With experience during my time with HSE of visits to rendering plants for animals and fish I sympathise about the stenches which pervade AD plants and also people and their clothing while working in/visiting such premises AND for some afterwards.

During the 1980s my work with HSE included various paper mills, including some which had facilities for processing waste paper so that it could be combined with raw supplies of woodpulp. Such facilities were able to remove metal staples, bookmaking cord and other unwanted components ('foreigns') during the shredding and pulping of the waste paper. As local councils in some areas including mine now collect mixed loads of all types of paper, card and waxed cartons from households it seems that paper and cardboard recycling nowadays is very sophisticated and can cope with a wide range of unwanted components including glues, inks and various types of plastic such as the transparent film used for window-type envelopes. Therefore, it should be no surprise if food waste recycling is equally sophisticated nowadays.

p.s. The newspaper report mentioned in my opening post included a note that specialist meat suppliers experienced an unexpected rise in demand for horse meat late last week. Apparently the beefburger scandal prompted some adventurous Brits to find out what horse meat tastes like! Although one supplier reported a "tenfold increase" in demand for horse meat, there's no indication of the normal level of demand. It could have been just one or two orders or several hundred or more per week!
aland76  
#7 Posted : 23 January 2013 14:47:17(UTC)
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aland76

No problem Graham, i'm one of those saddo's who get excited about AD :P currently involved in viability trials for our waste product to go through AD, it's difficult to stick to H&S/Env with my past background :)

Just so I didn't paint too pretty a picture, there are a lot of issues with trying to process packaged foodwaste; namely carryover of packaging into the digesters.
Paper/cardboard in particular is a problem as this will all pulp and carry through to the digestion process rather than separate into the waste stream, when this is accounted for the organic content of the digester feed takes a serious nosedive, in short you end up paying a lot of money to process an inert material, which then requires additional removal to achieve BSI PAS 110 to ensure your digestate is a viable fertiliser (which in turn leads onto the near-impossible task of trying to find a polymer that will separate neutrally-charged paper fibre!).
Basically, we've still got a way to go in perfecting it yet.

Regards
Alan
chris42  
#8 Posted : 23 January 2013 16:31:18(UTC)
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chris42

AlanD76 interesting posts with regard to the process, You said you end up going home stinking on a Friday. I always thought the process was sealed and the smell could not get out ?. or is only the digestion part sealed and the process before it open to atmosphere etc. Would the smell be limited to the plant or did it also inevitably make its way outside ?
aland76  
#9 Posted : 23 January 2013 16:59:44(UTC)
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aland76

chris42 wrote:
AlanD76 interesting posts with regard to the process, You said you end up going home stinking on a Friday. I always thought the process was sealed and the smell could not get out ?. or is only the digestion part sealed and the process before it open to atmosphere etc. Would the smell be limited to the plant or did it also inevitably make its way outside ?


Hi Chris

The digesters are sealed units to prevent oxygen ingress and to prevent methane / Hydrogen sulphide (and any other fun stuff) egress. As you said the smell comes from the decomposition of food waste which is sat waiting to be processed, the storage areas do generally have strict controls regarding air / odour control to prevent fugitive emissions. Strangely enough i've been involved with Flash Pyrolysis powered by using municipal waste with a very low food percentage, and the odour from that was seemingly worse than digester feed.

The odour within these stores has an unfortunate ability to penetrate the clothes and skin when working with/around the waste, it was a known fact in the last plant I worked that you had a 2 hour window of smelling clean after a shower/bath before the odour permeated from the skin again.

Another source of odour is dealing with the digestate post-treatment, depending on the process setup (usually centrifugal, now steering more towards Reverse Osmosis for water reclamation) there is usually some kind of interaction required.

It might just be me but I don't recall ever going home clean on any digestate treatment plant i've ever worked on, and i've never worked on one that didn't receive numerous odour complaints so they are never air-tight.

Alan
chris42  
#10 Posted : 23 January 2013 17:23:19(UTC)
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chris42

Alan

Thanks for the response, I knew the purpose of AD was to produce methane to power a turbine and produce electricity. So could not see how the smell got out as you would not want the methane getting out.

Are the turbines noisy from a H&S point of view for employees and pubic nearby? I can't get the idea out of my head that these will make the same noise as a jet engine?

HAHA just thought if they use horse burgers to produce methane, which in turn produces electricity, which then fuels an electric car, we will have gone back to horse power. Just as well stuck with horse and cart and you still got fertiliser as a by-product. The only polymer needed would be in the shovel handle.

Chris

Graham Bullough  
#11 Posted : 23 January 2013 18:50:46(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Alan

Thanks for the additional information and ongoing discussion. With the technical issues and extra costs involved in separating non-digestible packaging from digestate (a new word for sprinkling in conversations!) it's not surprising that local councils like mine exhort householders to avoid putting plastic, etc., in the garden/food waste bins.

Your information about unpleasant odours permeating people's skins makes me wonder if exposure, especially chronic exposure of employees at AD plants and other pungent premises, to obnoxious smells can cause ill-health. Furthermore, a recent study has suggested that the smells from some cleaning products can cause adult-onset asthma in cleaners who have used them. Therefore, if there have been no formal studies regarding the possibility that smells from deteriorating waste products can harm people, perhaps there's scope for some suitably qualified people to start some investigative research.

During the 1980s people who lived near an animal rendering plant which I dealt with for HSE sometimes complained to my office about unpleasant smells emanating from the plant. This occurred especially in summer when hot conditions could accelerate the decomposition of material (notably the discards and rejects from abattoirs) stored mostly in open bins to await processing. However, as the smells were just regarded as unpleasant and incapable of causing anything worse than nausea in some of the neighbours, the standard HSE response at the time was to forward complaints to the local council's environmental health dept. which did have some legal powers to require the company operating the plant to minimise the smells.
aland76  
#12 Posted : 24 January 2013 12:52:39(UTC)
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aland76

You've hit a topic of interest with me so I'm happy to waffle on with this thread ;)

Chris42 wrote:
Are the turbines noisy from a H&S point of view for employees and pubic nearby? I can't get the idea out of my head that these will make the same noise as a jet engine?


A CHP is essentially a modified diesel generator, so yes they create a lot of noise (I can't remember exact figures but it is incredibly uncomfortable being near one without adequate hearing protection).
Depending on the engine, they are usually built into an adequately insulated engine room, or with newer models such as Jenbachers (other CHP models are available), they come supplied as a pre-assembled unit built into a sound-proofed container and are dropped into position ready to connect (which is pretty impressive).

Graham Bullough wrote:
Your information about unpleasant odours permeating people's skins makes me wonder if exposure, especially chronic exposure of employees at AD plants and other pungent premises, to obnoxious smells can cause ill-health. Furthermore, a recent study has suggested that the smells from some cleaning products can cause adult-onset asthma in cleaners who have used them. Therefore, if there have been no formal studies regarding the possibility that smells from deteriorating waste products can harm people, perhaps there's scope for some suitably qualified people to start some investigative research


I can only speak from personal experience on this one but I do think there is a correlation between exposure to waste-streams on AD plants and illness; since working with AD i've reignited my childhood asthma, and had a minimum of two chest infections per year (of which i've developed pneumonia once and been hospitalised twice).
I've been working in a none-AD environment now for a year and seen a marked improvement in my health... coincidence? maybe...

I think to assess the health implications on AD the broader picture has to be looked at: the waste stream for example – sewage treatment brings the obvious biological hazard of contact with faecal matter, contact with syringes (you wouldn’t believe how many syringes you find in the inlet screens of a sewage plant!) can lead to some life-changing diseases.
Food waste AD, although eradicating these hazards does bring its own: unknown mold spores, contaminants (why was the food rejected in the first place?), and pest infiltration, and as mentioned previously the putrification process of a stockpile of waste food.

The digesters themselves have the previously listed hazards of asphyxiants, flammables and toxins, as well as the biological content of the digesters. Also, if food waste isn’t pasteurised pre-digestion there are likely biological hazards still present here.

There’s also chemical usage; usually sulphuric / hydrochloric acid, caustic soda, sodium hypochlorite etc in H2S removal (pre-CHP) and odour scrubbing

Then there’s the mechanical hazards…

Not trying to be downbeat regarding AD (it's a fascinating process), just trying to show that behind the pictures of a shiny Digester there are a huge amount of hazards to contend with that aren't always obvious.

Alan
chris42  
#13 Posted : 24 January 2013 13:48:50(UTC)
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chris42


AlanD76

Thanks for that very interesting. My questions did have a bit of purpose as a company were intending to build one of these relatively close to where I live, though others would be more affected than me. However the one they intended to build would not emit any smells, or noise and apparently only produced the non-explosive type of methane.

Apparently if the doors to the loading bay which act as an air lock to the outside were to fail they would manually open and close the doors (one vehicle movement every 10 minutes) yeh right.

Waiting with baited breath over the latest council decision. The site is probably in the worst suitable area you could imagine with thousands of houses all around the site. Some new ones being built the other side of a road so 100 feet away. The only reason they want to build there is that they own the site.

Before anyone accuses me of being a NIMBY, I'm happy for it to be relatively near, just a few more miles down the road on the industrial estate where it would not bother anyone.

Again interesting info.


leadbelly  
#14 Posted : 24 January 2013 15:04:17(UTC)
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leadbelly

Non-explosive methane!?

LB
aland76  
#15 Posted : 24 January 2013 15:11:41(UTC)
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aland76

I don't think it's about being a NIMBY when it comes to effluent treatment plants in suburban areas, I'd be rightly concerned myself as i've work with several different AD and effluent treatment works and i've dealt with odour complaints with every single one (and heard the promises of being odour free from a few as well). it's not the methane as such that generates the odours, but the H2S, ammonia, mercaptans, etc that are a byproduct of AD. The main culprit hydrogen sulphide can be reduced through the addition of ferric but it won't be very cost effective to dose enough to completely eradicate it (in my experience)

I suppose if I was in your position i'd be asking the council a few questions regarding the following:

Control of odour emissions from delivery tankers? (one of the worst offenders when it comes to odour complaints!).
If delivery by Bulkers, where they are sheeting up post-delivery (if outside another probable emission point)
If using an air scrubber system, what plans are in place to prevent odour emissions if it suffers a failure

In the event of a power failure / site breakdown:
how will the company prevent the digesters overpressuring and venting gas from the pressure relief valves (which WILL be installed on top of each digester)
will the flarestack have a battery backup to run in a power-cut event?

I'm guessing noise assessments will have been carried out and dampeners / walls etc put in place to prevent excessive noise to neighbours, however the line about none-explosive methane???

It is a fair assumption (especially in light of your previous question) that the company plans to generate electricity via CHP to export to the grid, if their methane is diluted to the point that it cannot combust, how do they propose to run an engine on it?
If this comment is true, then it will also be true that the digester pressure relief valves won't need to be classified as an ATEX explosion zone 0, but i guarantee it will be.

if you do get chance to raise the methane question, i'd love to hear the answer! :)

Alan
chris42  
#16 Posted : 24 January 2013 15:13:35(UTC)
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chris42

leadbelly wrote:
Non-explosive methane!?

LB


Yes that is what he said in response to my question about possibility of explosions and affected area. This was at a public consultation and was introduced as a technical expert. Made me wonder if this rubbish was also given to Local Authority (pun intended).
chris42  
#17 Posted : 24 January 2013 15:30:27(UTC)
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chris42

AlanD76

I have already made all the points you noted to the council in general and separately to my local councillor, who is opposed to the idea and thanked me for my well-argued points (especially about sheeted trucks not being air tight, as you have said).

There has been no comment about the non-explosive methane. They intend to generate electricity at the site and it will run 24/7. I also pointed out that they will make all these promises, but once built and they find there is a problem under Environmental legislation they only have to do what is reasonably practicable (BATNEC) so local residents will have to live with it.

Again thanks for your information, I intend to point the local action group towards this site, but it may be too late.

On a different note will the flash pyrolysis also generate electricity or just get rid of the waste.




aland76  
#18 Posted : 24 January 2013 15:42:29(UTC)
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aland76

No problem Chris, good luck :)

I won't get started on Flash Pyrolysis too much as this thread already has too much of me on :P
In a nutshell tho it's a case of waste product in (doesn't matter whether organic/inorganic so long as there is a good calorific value), heated to around 850 degrees in an oxygen free environment which effectively atomises the waste into hydrogen and methane (generally 60% / 40% respectively), then gas is cooled and a generator powered from it, waste product is char (8-10%) - in theory anyway, it has its own unique issues! :)

Alan
Graham Bullough  
#19 Posted : 26 January 2013 02:30:23(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Alan - Please don't worry about making too many contributions to this thread. With your knowledge and experience the ones you've made so far have been very relevant and interesting. As for Flash Pyrolysis I think your neat summary was sufficient to explain it to those of us who either didn't know or weren't sure about it.

Following the recent exposure of the horsemeat in beefburgers scandal, some media sources now report that analyses of horse meat last year in the UK found some with traces of a veterinary medicine banned for use on animals intended for human consumption because it is carcinogenic to humans. The horse meat involved was apparently from batches destined for export and not for consumption in the UK. On a related note, a recent BBC TV programme (probably last week's episode of "Food Inspectors") explained that meat derived from sheep, pigs and other animals stolen from farms could pose harm to people who eat it if veterinary drugs had been administered to and remained in the animals in sufficient concentrations before they were stolen. In many cases presumably the thieves do what they do because dodgy abattoirs and/or (more likely) dodgy processors/retailers accept the animals/meat without asking appropriate questions. In a similar way, thieves are tempted to steal cast iron grids and drain covers from roadways, etc. because some scrap yards readily accept and pay for the stolen items without asking questions.
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