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blodwyn  
#1 Posted : 28 January 2013 14:48:04(UTC)
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blodwyn

What are people paying for face fit testing? We have by one supplier been quoted £35.75. This is a long way different from others - are they chancing their arm (also £1.50 a mile for travel!) or is that reasonable....? Old adage you get what you pay for...Or a fool and their money...?
John M  
#2 Posted : 28 January 2013 15:45:11(UTC)
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John M

Why not ask ARCO, Sundstrom or 3M rep. to quote you. Alternatively, they can offer to train up the Face Fitter if you purchase their products. A lot cheaper and arguably more comprehensive test than an outsider. Jon
freelance safety  
#3 Posted : 28 January 2013 15:48:31(UTC)
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freelance safety

Blodwyn, Have you looked at all the free testing through the WWT (Working Well Together) Group? If you need more details PM me.
Steveeckersley  
#4 Posted : 28 January 2013 15:52:07(UTC)
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Steveeckersley

Gosh Meeting last year The HSE did a face fitting presentation - Think they said what the cost of a face fit test was and it was more than £35.00 per head. £1.50 a mile is chancing their arm as they will be heavily taxed for it unless they only declare the Inland revenue rate of 47p per mile. which is supposed to cover all costs.
freelance safety  
#5 Posted : 28 January 2013 15:55:06(UTC)
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freelance safety

£1.50 a mile is too much, I charge my clients .40p per mile?
paul.skyrme  
#6 Posted : 31 January 2013 19:56:16(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Steveeckersley wrote:
Gosh Meeting last year The HSE did a face fitting presentation - Think they said what the cost of a face fit test was and it was more than £35.00 per head. £1.50 a mile is chancing their arm as they will be heavily taxed for it unless they only declare the Inland revenue rate of 47p per mile. which is supposed to cover all costs.
That is very untrue, as this will depend on the structure of the organisation. A Ltd. Co. can charge what they like for mileage charges, try running a 7500kg wagon for 47p per mile for example. The mileage charge given by HMRC is only for use of your private vehicle on behalf of your employer, so that the income from this is not subject to personal tax. A company can charge what they like, this is then sorted out as part of the business income. It will only be taxable to the business if it works out as such after overheads etc. It will never be taxable to the employee, how can it be, as long as the payments to the employee, IF they are using their own car do not exceed the HMRC guidance, or if using a company vehicle, meet the levels set for this. I charge my clients 50p per mile and have no worries, neither does my accountant, he says this is OK as it is an invoiced cost from the Ltd. Co., oh & its plus VAT. Try running a 3500kg Transit for 47p per mile, as well, no chance!
Steveeckersley  
#7 Posted : 01 February 2013 09:52:04(UTC)
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Steveeckersley

paul.skyrme wrote:
Steveeckersley wrote:
Gosh Meeting last year The HSE did a face fitting presentation - Think they said what the cost of a face fit test was and it was more than £35.00 per head. £1.50 a mile is chancing their arm as they will be heavily taxed for it unless they only declare the Inland revenue rate of 47p per mile. which is supposed to cover all costs.
That is very untrue, as this will depend on the structure of the organisation. A Ltd. Co. can charge what they like for mileage charges, try running a 7500kg wagon for 47p per mile for example. The mileage charge given by HMRC is only for use of your private vehicle on behalf of your employer, so that the income from this is not subject to personal tax. A company can charge what they like, this is then sorted out as part of the business income. It will only be taxable to the business if it works out as such after overheads etc. It will never be taxable to the employee, how can it be, as long as the payments to the employee, IF they are using their own car do not exceed the HMRC guidance, or if using a company vehicle, meet the levels set for this. I charge my clients 50p per mile and have no worries, neither does my accountant, he says this is OK as it is an invoiced cost from the Ltd. Co., oh & its plus VAT. Try running a 3500kg Transit for 47p per mile, as well, no chance!
Its not untrue Paul I work for a public body who align their expense rates to HMRC thresholds. If someone receives over the 47p per mile ( Car not lorry) they are then taxed on the amount over 47p because the HMRC regard over 47p as profit- I should know theyve actually done it to me and I have fought them for years over it .I even sent them all my fuel reciepts and bills for maintenance servicing etc. IT didnt wash as it was over the threshiold they had set. Any company can charge what they like but their are thresholds that the HMRC sets.
paul.skyrme  
#8 Posted : 01 February 2013 15:56:54(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Steve, You have misinterpreted my message completely and, I stand by my statement made earlier. You are now saying that you have been taxed for getting over the HMRC mileage allowance for running your personal vehicle on behalf of your employer. This is correct. My last message does NOT relate to vehicle use payments made to employees in the way of expenses. You are correct in stating that these are classed as personal income and taxable by HMRC if they are paid in excess of the values given by HMRC. However, if your employer is private sector, i.e. a profit making company, and provides a vehicle for you to use wholly in the pursuance of your duties, then your employer is not paying you anything to be taxed on. Even if you are allowed to use your vehicle for private use, then the "company car tax" situation will kick in, this has nothing to do with the charges your employer makes to their customers. A private sector profit making company can then charge their paying customers whatever the market will stand in the way of vehicle running costs. There is nothing in the earlier post with regard to the charge of £1.50 per mile being a payment in kind, an expenses payment, or even a charge for an employee running a private vehicle on behalf of their employer, which is where the HMRC threshold applies. Personal taxation from HMRC does not enter into the situation unless it is a payment to an employee. Between profit making companies it is simply a charge that is made and is treated the same as any other invoiced items, why can and should HMRC separate how a company makes its profit? If the company makes a profit out of running its vehicles then that is good business, and may be used to offset losses, charges or costs elsewhere in the organisation. The taxation of these funds is nothing to do with the employees of the company as they see none of this, it is merely a B2B transaction. If you still feel I am wrong, please tell me as I need to tell my accountant to get in touch with you, as it seems he is wrong and he needs to tell all his clients so he needs to get the facts from you! ;) There are also hundreds if not thousands of companies & accountants out there who are also unaware of the fact that they can only charge this value for running a vehicle else their employees will be taxed on any charges in excess of that value, even though the charges are nothing to do with the personal tax affairs of their employees and are not paid to their employees. I have no personal tax liability from the 50p charged by my employer as none of it is paid to me in any way what so ever, so I fail to see how you can state that companies can be limited in their charges by HMRC. As I have said, I agree with respect to the limits for payments to employees for use of their own vehicles are subject to HMRC limits, that is all. Company to company the HMRC limits are irrelevant. Also they only apply to cars, not commercial vehicles, we do not know from the OP if the face fit testing company is using a car. What if they are running say a 16 tonne HGV with a lab in the back, samples, test equipment etc. for the analysis and the charges are to bring this to site?
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