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We are due to commence a contract where the need for a cable avoidance tool is required. I have little experience in this department, could someone please answer the following questions as i am coming up against resistance from those above who disagree with me. Sorry the project is commercial fencing in the social housing sector.
1) Is a Genny required with the CAT? 2) Do you need a license to use a CAT and GENNY? 3) Is training really required
Please advise.
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1: Depends what you're looking for - you don't need a genny to trace live power cables, it makes tracing a conductive pipe easier, it helps if you have lots of pipes and are tracing a particular one, it doesn't help tracing plastic pipes (you need a mouse).
2: Not in general (but particular sites / clients might require it)
3: Not to find a relatively shallow power cable, to actually map out and distinguish stuff below ground (ie, to use the equipment to its full) yes, and re-reading the manual too.
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Training: Ask yourself the question; if we hit a power cable [which happens all the time as they can be and are laid in almost any place and in the most unexpected places] and the enforcers etc. get involved would those enforcers, judges, insurance companies expect staff to be adequately trained noting that power cables are high risk and do kill and maim? I think that your answer would be the same as all of us - so get your staff adequately trained or if this is a one off get a competent person in to undertake the scanning for you
It is also interesting that you have won a contract but have nobody trained to find cables or am I reading too much into this question
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A CAT on its own is inefficient as only a small number of buried, metallic, linear objects can be traced in Passive mode (ie without the Genny) when a generator is used to induce a signal into the Object either by direct connection or by placing the generator over a known or suspected object. The efficiency of the Combined CAT and Genny is significantly increased. With correct training and experince a competent operator will save you considerable sums of money on repairs to damaged infrastructure etc. He/ she will be able to accuratley locate power cables, telephones, gas pipes, petrochem mains, drains, ducts etc and will be able to give you accuratede depths and will even be able to locate earth faults to damged cables.
The training is vital I learnt more from my course than I could ever imagine. PS I allready had a good understanding of using CATS before I opted for the training.
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Leerob I have to agree with Bob on this, just using a cat on it own is not sufficient your operatives should receive information instruction and training on the following listed items below this is not an exhausted list as the environment will also dictate the training such as traffic management public interface Safe Digging Practices, Essential requirements of HSG 47 Safe Dig Drawings Tooling selection Key features of the C.A.T Operational procedure for the C.A.T / Function Test Grid pattern sweep / Pinpointing / Marking up Key features of the Genny How to complete a Site Specific Risk Assessment Pipe line awareness Safe Trial Hole practices Hope this helps
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Chris
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1. Much better to have one with you rather than not, in fact, I would say it would be essential to ensure the widest possible search facility
2. Licence from whom?
3. Training is an absolute must, with actual evidence afterwards that the operators have fully understood it & are competent to use both the CAT & Genny in a live situation (no pun intended!)
With regards to training, I once investigated a series of cable strikes & the common denominator was the operative, who was "trained", but when asked to demonstrate his skills, fell woefully short & was putting himself & colleagues at risk of serious injury or even death.
Zyggy
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Q1. As with other, the Signal Generator is invaluable for locating and tracing difficult services or just more or less pin pointing one using a direct connection.
Q2. If the work is for utility purposes then users need accreditation for Unit 001 of the Streetworks Qualifications 9Scheme 6156-01). The Unit is also suitable for others wishing to be able to demonstrate competence. See City and Guilds website and search for '6156' in the search box. you should also be able to locate your nearest assessment centre from the same site.
Q3. as with Q2, the assessment to gain the qualification unit is undertaken on a live situation
I have on a few occaisions stopped work due to the person using the locator not having training and unable to use it correctly, or what it actually does.
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Leerob There are a few pieces of information that you should try to obtain before you start work. (in an ideal world) 1. Ask PC for any pre-constuction information regarding services ,try to find out history of the land to give you indication what might be there. 2. I would like to think that the PC has completed a GPR sub scan of the area 3. PC would issue with permit to dig, as part of he control measure he would expect you to use CAT and genny, he would also expect confirmation of said training for equipmen,t he would also request a calibration certificate. As I said in an ideal world!! TRy www.sygma-solutions.com/cat-genny-training.asp
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sorry forgot to add you can request information from utility company free off charge !! good luck
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Leerob, all good stuff so far and from more learned peopel than myself. but what I woudl say is do check yuor Public Liability insurance.
Almost certainly there will be a clause/endorsement/condition that will set out what the insurer wil expect you to do. This will cover all the points mentioned so far - from checking with Prin Contractor/Utility companies to having the right equipment and having it used by trained employees, under competent supervision. And it will almost ceertinly require hand digging if there is any doubt. But remember that there are numerous examples on the web/HSE pages of people being injured from simply banging in ground pins and stakes.
Phil
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