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cheifinspector  
#1 Posted : 31 January 2013 15:48:33(UTC)
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cheifinspector

I am currently in the process of writing a COSHH assessment for lead resin solder wire where the 2 main substances are tin and lead. In section 8 of the SDS there are 3 different units that are stated. These are: 1. PEL - Permissible Exposure Limit (OSHA) 2. REL - Recommended Exposure Limit (NIOSH) 3. TLV - Threshold Limit Value (ACGIH) Nowhere does it state what the WEL unit is. The supplier are in France and the product itself looks like it is made in America as OSHA, NIOSH etc are stated after each unit. Is there any way that these units can be converted to WEL's?
Jane Blunt  
#2 Posted : 31 January 2013 15:55:15(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

Are you soldering? If so, then the lead does not get hot enough to become airborne fume. The risk from the lead arises chiefly from getting it on your skin and forgetting to wash it off bevore eating your lunch. However, what is the flux? This can be the key thing to watch out for. Colophony (a natural resin) is a sensitiser and soldering will render this airborne.
Jane Blunt  
#3 Posted : 31 January 2013 15:59:29(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

PS work with lead is covered by specific regulations. http://www.legislation.g.../2002/2676/contents/made Have a look at the HSE microsite on the topic http://www.hse.gov.uk/lead/index.htm
Jane Blunt  
#4 Posted : 31 January 2013 16:10:15(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

For the words of wisdom on the risk of exposure to lead from soldering see this document: http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l132.pdf Page 26 table 2. if you are not soldering, please say what you are doing, so that the responses can focus in on what is important.
cheifinspector  
#5 Posted : 31 January 2013 16:32:56(UTC)
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cheifinspector

Yes it will be for soldering but i'm not sure about temperatures at this stage. I will see if i can find out at tomorrow's morning meeting.
Jane Blunt  
#6 Posted : 31 January 2013 16:39:06(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

Melting points are as below: Pure lead 327 degrees C Tin 232 degrees C Lead tin (eutectic, electricians) solder 183 degrees C. Plumbers solder - a range from about 220 degrees C to 183 degrees C
paul.skyrme  
#7 Posted : 31 January 2013 19:11:51(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Are you sure it is not Lead/Rosin flux, rather than Resin?
Jane Blunt  
#8 Posted : 31 January 2013 21:20:52(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

Paul - rosin is a resin. It is important to identify the flux, as these can be quite nasty.
boblewis  
#9 Posted : 31 January 2013 22:28:24(UTC)
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boblewis

Have to ask if there is any good reason for the ongoing use of lead products as the EU Directive bans use in electronic equipment without really good cause. Bob
cheifinspector  
#10 Posted : 01 February 2013 09:04:58(UTC)
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cheifinspector

The temperature of the soldering irons depends on the type of solder being used but i have been told that the usual temperature is 360 C. The soldering irons go to a max of 480 C before they cut out so the lead fumes should not be an issue. however i would still like to carry out some periodic monitoring of the air to make sure that we are compliant. The name of the solder is - MBO Lead Resin Solder Wire consisting of 63% Tin and 37% Lead. So going back to the original question, is there any way that the units can be converted to WEL's?
Clairel  
#11 Posted : 01 February 2013 09:16:39(UTC)
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Clairel

They should be supplying the product with a UK compliant MSDS. Go back to the supplier.
Jane Blunt  
#12 Posted : 01 February 2013 10:13:32(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

True, Claire. You will find the exposure limit if you follow up the link that I gave you to the specific legislation in relation to lead at post #3. "“occupational exposure limit for lead” means in relation to— (a) lead other than lead alkyls, a concentration of lead in the atmosphere to which any employee is exposed of 0.15 mg/m3"
cheifinspector  
#13 Posted : 01 February 2013 10:22:04(UTC)
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cheifinspector

Thanks for the feedback. I have emailed the supplier requesting a UK compliant SDS. Failing that i will use the information that Jane has posted.
boblewis  
#14 Posted : 01 February 2013 22:26:28(UTC)
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boblewis

First stage - can I eliminate hazard ie lead fumes - Answer probably YES. Your COSHH assessment needs to start at this point before you even start to question the MSDS.
boblewis  
#15 Posted : 01 February 2013 22:30:04(UTC)
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boblewis

For reference The Directive on the restriction of the use of certain hazardous substances in electrical and electronic equipment 2002/95/EC Lead is a restricted material. So why is it necessary to use it? Bob
Jane Blunt  
#16 Posted : 02 February 2013 09:07:05(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

I don't think we need to ask why he needs it. He is now aware of the legal position on lead. There are a number of exemptions in the use of lead. http://www.bis.gov.uk/nm...ohs-home/rohs-exemptions
boblewis  
#17 Posted : 03 February 2013 23:48:25(UTC)
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boblewis

Jane But they are restrictive!!! I am concerned however that the msds seems to be the focus of all attention when few seem to question the use itself. It looks as though COSHH has a long way to go in many people's thinking. We use it because we have always used it seems to rule everbody's thinking. Bob
Clairel  
#18 Posted : 04 February 2013 09:44:36(UTC)
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Clairel

I think that's an unfair judgement Bob. We were just answering the question. Otherwise we might as well end up putting a disclaimer at the bottom of all our posts saying ' a safer alternative should always be considered'.
damelcfc  
#19 Posted : 04 February 2013 09:45:11(UTC)
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damelcfc

RoHS - or the 'lead free directive' as it is commonly called (although concerns half a dozen substances) is intertwined with the WEEE Directive and the end products (usually electronic) that are placed on the market need to have < certain amounts of these substances in order for the product to be 'RoHS Compliant' - in goes into mechanical recovery and all sorts of other boring stuff. Like REACH it means talking across the supply chain particularly if you make small components (as my firm does) that go into a bigger assembly - you essentially get hassled daily to confirm if your bit is 'RoHS compliant' so the company who puts the (for example) computer on the market can make the RoHS declaration............. Bored yet?.... In my eyes RoHS is environmental law has nothing to do with COSHH or the LAWR. Lead is not restricted if your product overall meets the RoHS figures when its time for declaration/disposal - and remember this is only concerned with electrical and electronic equipment. Back to the MSDS....
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