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Nick Taylor  
#1 Posted : 13 February 2013 11:23:27(UTC)
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Nick Taylor

One of our employees who will need to use 1/2 face disposable masks has no sense of smell or taste. This obviously causes a problem with the face fit testing. We have tried him on 2 different reagents - which did not work. Have any of you had to address a situation like this in the past? Any ideas? Thanks Nick
Kate  
#2 Posted : 13 February 2013 11:37:58(UTC)
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Kate

You could use quantitative testing. Are you doing the qualitative testing yourselves or getting someone in to do it?
rodgerker  
#3 Posted : 13 February 2013 11:38:18(UTC)
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rodgerker

Do the job properly. Qualitative face fit testing (with reagents) isn't worth the paper the certificate is printed on. Have a proper Qualitative face fit carried out, using a Porta-count machine. Rodger Ker
Nick Taylor  
#4 Posted : 13 February 2013 13:12:44(UTC)
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Nick Taylor

Thanks for the feedback both. Kate - it is qualititative testing we are carrying out, by competent inhouse staff. Roger - I understand your point of view - but wanted to avoid that option (cost vs risk). If the HSE accept qualitative testing - it sets an acceptable standard for me.
Kate  
#5 Posted : 13 February 2013 14:01:32(UTC)
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Kate

However if qualitative testing doesn't work on this individual - quantitative is the only way you can do it, which will mean either getting more equipment and training in its use or getting someone to come in to do it.
John J  
#6 Posted : 13 February 2013 18:45:34(UTC)
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John J

Nick, what are you protecting against?
Nick Taylor  
#7 Posted : 14 February 2013 09:21:53(UTC)
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Nick Taylor

Kate - I fear you are right - I was just seeing if there had been any other ideas out there. John - The protection is very occasional (3-4 per year, 15-60 minute duration each) against dust during breakdown repair.
Steveeckersley  
#8 Posted : 14 February 2013 10:35:13(UTC)
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Steveeckersley

rodgerker wrote:
Do the job properly. Qualitative face fit testing (with reagents) isn't worth the paper the certificate is printed on. Have a proper Qualitative face fit carried out, using a Porta-count machine. Rodger Ker
Great statement about the Qualitative! Now tell us Why?
rodgerker  
#9 Posted : 14 February 2013 10:57:20(UTC)
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rodgerker

The following is taken from the HSE Occasional Circular OC 282/28 (from 2011) "Qualitative fit testing is a simple pass/fail test based on the wearer's SUBJECTIVE assessment of the leakage ---". (Capital letters are mine). It is based on an individuals own assessment of whether and when they can detect the bitter/sweet or odour. There is no way of verifying the result. This is the important point. As the original poster has pointed out someone with a poor/no sense of smell and undertakes a qualitative fit test this will produce a flawed result. Equally true, someone with a "sensitive" sense of smell will also produce a false result. Qualitative fit testing is considered to be "a cheap option". From my experience (carrying out 800 quantitative fit test in nine years) this is false economy. Quantitative fit testing is not that expensive, once you have found an organisation to do it and it is a verifiable (measured) result, not what someone "thinks" at a particular point in time. Rodger Ker
silberfee  
#10 Posted : 21 February 2013 11:23:39(UTC)
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silberfee

If you are still worried, try air flow helmet. Removes the need for the fit test either way as you say it is infrequent and for short bursts of time. Just another thought. Agree thought Quantitative fit testing is not expensive and anyone can so the Qualitative and either way the expensive is the persons time.
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