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Graham  
#1 Posted : 14 February 2013 15:37:19(UTC)
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Graham

Hi
I’ve been asked how far below the ceiling an Oxygen monitor should be in an NMR room to detect reduced Oxygen levels resulting from a release of Helium.

We have a room set aside for the NMR machine and nothing else. There is a low level Oxygen alarm to detect the release of Nitrogen at about 1M from the floor. Currently the low Oxygen alarm for detecting the release of Helium is at head height. However this is about 1.8M below the ceiling which is very high in this part of the building.

The detectors are attached to a high powered fan that will exhaust all the air/Nitrogen/Helium out of the room if they detect a decrease in the Oxygen level in the room. My view is that the low Oxygen level for detecting Helium release should be higher to give as much warning as possible of a reduction in the Oxygen level in the room.

I’m very cautious about this room since it is by definition a confined space. Does anyone know of any standards or guidance that I could consult to help inform my decision.

Thanks

Graham Watson
NickRoarty  
#2 Posted : 14 February 2013 20:15:45(UTC)
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NickRoarty

What's an NMR room for us thicko's?
Firesafetybod  
#3 Posted : 14 February 2013 20:39:46(UTC)
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Firesafetybod

Seems to be:
Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR) Room
MrsBlue  
#4 Posted : 15 February 2013 07:57:19(UTC)
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I have just googled Safety in NMR rooms and the first website called NMR Safety.pdf gives everthing you need. There are other websites as well.

I don't know what I would do without google and other search engines

Rich
Jane Blunt  
#5 Posted : 15 February 2013 08:17:16(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

Graham
You have a point about the height, but I think you need to look more deeply at the events that can happen in the room.

How much nitrogen is in the room at any time? Could it cause a serious problem? Under what circumstances - normal boil off? Dewar failure? Apparatus failure?

How much helium? What will be the source of helium at high level? If it is boil off, then how likely is it that it will fill the room at high level to cause a danger? Would this only happen if the machine were faulty and boil off was unusually high? If so, then the occupants would notice long before the alarm went off.

Is a quench the only event that could release this gas in a large quantity? If so, how fast does you apparatus release helium in a quench? This varies a great deal between machines. If you want to see a really scary quench look at this video http://mrisafetyvideo.co...nch_outside_shortSo.htm. It has been filmed from outside the building because this machine was correctly fitted with a quench pipe so that helium does not get released into the building. The quench starts at approx t=10s. A machine that quenches as violently as this should be vented directly to the outside air. It should NOT vent into the room and then wait for the fan to start up and suck out all the helium.

A quench is going to be noticed by the room occupants, even if it is a mild one. They should not stay in the room, but ventilate it and leave while the air balance recovers.

Have a look at the way the forced ventilation has been configured. I encountered one where the inlet for the air to be removed from the room was at knee height. This meant that if there had been a helium release, all the good air was removed from the room first, drawing down the helium last. Not good.

PM me if you want to discuss further.
A Kurdziel  
#6 Posted : 15 February 2013 10:36:24(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

In our NMR we have two sets of sensors one above the false ceiling for the He and another nearer the floor for the nitrogen
Having done the risk assessment, we concluded that there are two risks- a quench event when the NMR will dump all of it’s liq helium. To be honest you don’t need an alarm for that; you will notice that and evacuate immediately.
The other risk is a slow leak, but that is not really a serious risk since the room is not air tight and has forced air ventilation ( 20 air changes an hour) so it is extremely unlikely that the helium will build up in the room. Furthermore the helium, of course will start to fill the room up form the ceiling down.
Jane’s comments at # 5 are spot on.
johnld  
#7 Posted : 15 February 2013 13:33:18(UTC)
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johnld

I have been watching this matter discussed on another forum and have seen the following comment posted

I know Graham will have seen it but others may have not

“Also, be aware that if you are monitoring for oxygen depletion as a result of Helium escaping you shouldn’t use a standard O2 depletion sensor. I can’t recall the detail off the top of my head, but it has something to do with the very small size of the Helium molecule interfering with how the sensors detect Oxygen; the sensor somehow end up with artificially high levels of O2. Hence there are helium specific devices to use."
Jane Blunt  
#8 Posted : 15 February 2013 13:41:27(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

Well remembered John. Most oxygen monitors are calibrated for an oxygen/nitrogen atmosphere, i.e. air. Gases which are very high or low atomic/molecular weight comared to air make their calibration suspect. Carbon dioxide will cause most of these monitors to underestimate the amount of oxygen in the air, but unfortunately helium causes the sensor to record a reading that is too high.

The discrepancy can be as much as 5%. See this paper:
http://www.jlab.org/acce...s/papers/heliumsense.pdf

This problem should not occur if the sensors in your oxygen monitors are directly monitoring for oxygen using the magnetic properties of oxygen gas.
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