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Further to my thread on reference document storage
I have been sorting through the things I have in my reference list HGS and Legal Series. I have realised that when I was made redundant I didn’t take with me the list of useful links to the above documents. I have been on the HSE web site and created a new list of things I think may be useful in a general manufacturing environment. Would anyone be kind enough to run a beady eye over the list to see if I have missed anything significant? This may include references to documents no longer available via HSE (but still useful). It is not necessary for your eyes to actually be beady.
Even though the above is a big ask, I have a second request which may be bigger. I’m still hoping that I get the job I was interviewed for last week, but realise that I have not really ever walked blind into a new company. I had been at the previous company for many years before becoming responsible for H&S, so grew into the role and issues. There seems to be a thousand questions swimming around in my head from – Are there young workers – is there a Fire RA – what nasty substances are there etc. So my next request is:- would anyone be willing to share a check list of topics of things to investigate when entering a new place of work ( general manufacturing type environment).
A very big ask I know. I guess a consultant may have such a check list and may also not be willing to share such a list, but if you or anyone else would, I would be very grateful.
Any help with either of the above will be appreciated. If you PM me I will forward you my email address.
Thanks
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Going to a new company, my advice would be not to dive in with a list of things to check. Yes, you wuill have that at the back of your mind, but don't make them feel like you are an inspector.
My advice would be to find out who is in the safety committee, and then go and meet each one face to face. Introduce yourself, ask them what they feel their role on the safety committee is and ask them whether there are any things that concern them.
While you are doing this you are establishing rapport, and you will also no doubt notice things as you walk about the place.
Then stand back and prioritise what you think is the most important thing to tackle first (which may be something that a committee member has raised or may be something you have seen - in my case it was the latter), and take this to your first committee meeting. Make yourself a priority list, and steadily work through it, but always be ready to change your priorities to react to situations that arise.
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I've sent you a PM, Chris.
I'd also like to add that I agree with Jane. It's important to get a feel for the place, to win people's trust and to get to know their concerns. That means showing them that you are open-minded and listening attentively to what they want to tell you rather than giving the appearance of being focused on your own agenda or of only being interested in a narrow checklist.
It will take a while to work out what the real problems and priorities are, and also what the way to go about resolving them is (I mean in terms of who can help you and how to get them to help you rather than the technical improvements).
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Yes my plan of action was to go and talk individually to every employee at the start ( even on nights) and while I’m doing that just look out for things that may not seem quite right ( or definitely wrong).
The problem is that the company seem to want a full review of the whole company by week two, I will also have to put in place the management system for OHSAS18001 as well as getting them up to speed with anything they are not doing that they should ( I don’t think they have had any H&S person there for over a year at least). At the end of week two I may only be working 3 days a week and the whole job may only last 6 months. They don’t want much do they. So I will not have long to get to grips and I thought if someone had any form of check list I could if nothing else use it to ensure I had thought of everything while rushing about like a fool. They are training their own person to take over but will not have done the NEBOSH cert for a few months and it will be this person how will be building the longer term relationship. As I say I will not just go in like an inspector, but do need to do this quickly behind the scenes.
As I said It is a very big ask I know and I am unlikely to actually get a list. Those that have seen my threads will know I have been out of work some time and so a little rusty (so may take me a little longer for the grey cells to think of everything). My preferred option would be a single long term job where I can get to really know the company and every individual ( as in my last role), but sadly opportunities are few and far between in my area, and I don’t wish to move.
Thank you both for taking the time to read and respond anyway. I intended the approach you both advocate, so nice to have this approach confirmed, but will also have some time constraints placed on me.
Chris
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Cripes Chris - they seem to want a bit more that the traditional pound of flesh?
Having been in my current place just over a month - only now do I start to feel some confidence in what is going on (or not!!), who to ask, who is responsible for what etc.
As Jane and Kate have said; my plan was, don't rush in with new ideas and lots of changes etc because this and that are not right - it only alienates yourself and make enemies early on - wait and pick your battles. However it seems as you may not have this luxury.
I did not have a list of items to check etc - just watch listen and take it in with a view to making changes gradual and with the buy in of those concerned.
As for 18001 a gap analysis I guess it what they are after with some idea as to time/cost required to put the system in?
Sorry waffled to say the least.
Stuart
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Still waiting to find out if I have the job, but the start date could be next Monday for all I know (they said ASAP). My plan is to get to know everyone and get a quick impression of the culture that currently exists. The mentioned there were a few people resistant to H&S / H&S changes (aren’t there always). My thoughts were to get these people on board by involving them wherever I can. While doing this essentially do a gap analysis of the company in terms of legal compliance and that for 18001. They will I’m sure have an accident reporting process, but is it formal, does everyone do the same thing etc etc. Thing is I think I need to work on all areas at once, hence my request for a check list for the legal compliance/ actual doing side. I have implemented 18001, 9001 and 14001 in my last company so ok there, though I have realised I don’t have a home copy of these standards which probably would have been useful.
I guess I realise I will be very busy and was looking for a memory jogger for the general compliance, to both save some time and help ensure I don’t miss anything. This list I realise would not cover everything, but I was just looking for the basic list that would cover 95% of most manufacturing type set ups, the special stuff will stand out a mile and I can “add that to the list”. I did suspect that no one would be willing to share, but thought it would be worth asking just in case. Even if people read this and think what a cheek, thank you for at least taking time to read it.
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Chris,
Not my industry so can't relate to experience, but if no such checklist is forthcmoing, you could base yours on the HSEs manufactuering section?
http://www.hse.gov.uk/manufacturing/index.htm
That's at least what I'd be doing (and you may already have done so!).
Oh and fingers crossed for the role :-)
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Chris42, sounds like the company see safety, merely as a pencil whipping exercise.
Perhaps using the MHSAWR section 7,
Section 7 Health and safety assistance
(1) Every employer shall, subject to paragraphs (6) and (7), appoint one or more competent persons to assist him in undertaking the measures he needs to take to comply with the requirements and prohibitions imposed upon him by or under the relevant statutory provisions and by Part II of the Fire Precautions (Workplace) Regulations 1997.
(2) Where an employer appoints persons in accordance with paragraph (1), he shall make arrangements for ensuring adequate co-operation between them.
(3) The employer shall ensure that the number of persons appointed under paragraph (1), the time available for them to fulfil their functions and the means at their disposal are adequate having regard to the size of his undertaking, the risks to which his employees are exposed and the distribution of those risks throughout the undertaking.
Using item (3) above, could get you more staff and more time to do the job? ISO18001 is not a quick fix and by the sound of it, 6 months is not sufficient, more like 18 months.
It's just an idea, but having worked for organisations in the past that had attained 18001 equivalents it was not easy that I can remember - and I wasn't in safety then.
Good luck, because I'm looking for a job too.
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Thanks Jake and Kim
Yes Kim section 7 applies here I think, but I could not say they are ignoring this requirement. The are looking to take on someone for a period of time and they are training their own person. They just want a lot for their money (which is not as much as you may think). The thing with 18001 or any of them is to match what is done by the company to the standard (where possible) and not the other way around. Most of the requirements are more or less a good idea, management review, doc control, emergency procedure etc.
I have seen a number of job adverts where they think that the system can be put in and externally audited in 6 months. No real appreciation that you need to have been using your new shiny procedures for a period to provide evidence you are working to it. It sort of all depends on what I find, they have already or do already.
I suspect I will be working longer hours than I will be paid for, but is allowing me to move my experience slightly allowing it to be seen in a better light.
All the best with your job hunting (didn't fancy the submarine one then in Bristol).
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If you need a hand with the electrical stuff pop a tx over Chris I think you have my mobile No.
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Hi Chris,
I am so glad that you posted this as I will be starting a new job in the manufacturing industry in March. All my experience has been in construction up till now. Needless to say I am very excited to be entering a new industry, but also somewhat nervous walking into a new company. They want me to set up 18001 and 14001, so along with trying to get to know everyone I will need to complete an audit, produce a gap analysis and begin getting new systems in place as quickly as possible, all without alienating the entire workforce! Easy peasy.
I am just beginning to study the manufacturing industry and am also attempting to list points that may be helpful to me going in. I only found out I got the job yesterday so when I get some things together I will send them to you.
Good luck with the job.
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Congratulations on your new job Sharond, I still have not heard either way at the moment.
The manufacturing industry is not new to me as such, as I have been involved in manufacturing for over 26 years (only some of it H&S). Most of the guidance makes general sense and if you have a more permanent position (unlike the one I applied for), you will be able to take your time and work you way through all the issues.
All the best for the future.
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