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SBH  
#1 Posted : 19 February 2013 23:59:18(UTC)
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SBH

The HTM recommends face to face annual fire safety training for staff in hospitals! With most hospitals having 1000s of staff how is it possible to do this. How do hospitals achieve this? I would be interested to know. E learning is deemed not acceptable nor is workbooks. Please don't respond with based on risk answers as that is not in the guidance. My view would be non clinical staff do elearning and clinical face to Face . Any views?

SBH
messyshaw  
#2 Posted : 20 February 2013 04:56:49(UTC)
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messyshaw

I worked for four NHS Trusts (as a contractor) for years and two of them adopted this approach of clinical staff only getting face to face training. The problem is how do you define 'clinical?'

Health care assistants, porters, receptionists and cleaners will all be working with in patients and on night shifts (the higher risk time in many ways) and the public will expect them to know what to do.

One trust cut the annual training course to one hour - not a lot of time to go through what is required, particularly as so many NHS staff are useless at being punctual. But e-learning does seem to be the way forward for less risk critical staff. It makes perfect sense in these cash strapped days, but it's that definition of the risk critical staff which may cause interesting debates with fire safety professionals having a different view from NHS managers
Invictus  
#3 Posted : 20 February 2013 07:59:31(UTC)
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Invictus

Isn't it possible to train a percentage as fire officers in all areas and have them deal with fire situations whilst the clinical staff get on with saving lives and dealing with patients?

We have a similar situation although not as many employees we train all operational employees and the non operational we have trained as a % per area. We also have none operational employees complete the train the trainer and also have micro teach, were they go to areas during quieter times and do the training face to face in the area with operational staff This saves removing the persons from the work area into a training building.
Psycho  
#4 Posted : 20 February 2013 09:18:50(UTC)
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Psycho

Easy
you identify the training, make up a matrix
get in touch with your Learning and development staff
Get a slot for induction that way you will be covering all of the new joiners, once every 2 weeks for us
get a slot in manditory training for clinical, covers all clinical staff, 3 slots a week
get a slot on the manditory training for non clinical, covers non clinical, 2 slots a fortnight
put on a specialist slot for student nurses and 3rd parties, 1 slot a month

then identify hospitals that need ski pad training just 2 out of my 8 use ski pads, thats a practical done once a year at each site one is a 10 storey building this is covered at induction and the staff show them the basics on local induction

carry out your risk assessments and train the staff on specialist areas as identified on the matrix
this way we train everyone annually thats 8500 staff the records are kept by learning and development
we dont allow e learning unless its approved by me and it never will be

then its extinguishers videos for everyone during lectures, pratical for high risk areas
then there is the 89 clinics they come to our manditory training more staff

however there are 2 fire safety officers in the trust, as i could not do this on my own with all the security and health and safety on top,
Hospital Boy  
#5 Posted : 20 February 2013 10:10:58(UTC)
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Hospital Boy

I have 5,000 staff and 550 volunteers. The key is how you define clinical roles. It took a lot of work with HR and the L&D team, so clinical staff attend face to face lectures, identified high risk areas will have additional area specific training every 6 months. Non clinical staff complete e-learning every other year. Contractors attend as we'll, I.e G4S, etc.

We also carry out yearly fire training for all volunteers, and fire training at night for permanent night staff. Our attendance rate is 89%.

Within the NHS, fire training is now the focus of the fire and rescue services.

HTH.

Cheers

HB
bilbo  
#6 Posted : 20 February 2013 13:11:35(UTC)
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bilbo

Pretty much as hospital boy says - those in face to face patient roles (including doctors) have face to face others have face to face one year on line elearning the next. there is scope for this in the HTM guidance. But you are right achieving this with large numbers of staff and very few fire safety staff is a huge challenge given that training budgets for bringing in external trainers and the like is always first line for cuts when budgets are up for review.
Hospital Boy  
#7 Posted : 20 February 2013 13:24:53(UTC)
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Hospital Boy

When i first joined this trust, 3 consultants delivering training, not monitored by advisor, and only 49% of staff trained. . Budget cuts and they went. But then they recruited I full time and 1 three days a week Fire advisors. Result? An interest in fire training, more guidance for senior clinical staff, and full compliance with HTMs. A higher attendance rate, and a happy fire service.

Cheers

HB
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