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Hi all,
Been getting conflicting messages re risk assessments for workers with Epilepsy, some people say you need a specific one, while others seem to think its covered by a vulnerable persons RA.
If you do need a specific one does anyone have any examples??
Am struggling a bit as Epilepsy isnt a general condition and symptoms differ greatly from person to person.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
thanks.
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Russ,
'Am struggling a bit as Epilepsy isnt a general condition and symptoms differ greatly from person to person'
Therefore, discuss this with the person suffering the condition for a clear insight into his/her condition.
A great example of workforce involvement and the key to formulating a 'robust' assessment!
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Hmm, never risk assessed a person before.
I've done areas, lines, machines, tasks but not Mr John Smith.
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thanks for the reply
I have discussed this with them and have established triggers, type of seizures, post seizure symptoms. However I've been told that you cannot do a specific RA as it could be deemed to be singling suffers out and treating them differently etc.
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I asked a similar question on this forum about 12 months ago.
The advice I received was to complete a PEEP (Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan) only as the alarm could trigger an attack. As most sufferers know when an attack is about to happen other arrangements were made for them to walk off the floor to a pre-designated area (room) accompanied by a colleague who had been trained in what to do when the attack came on.
The procedure works well.
Rich
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Thanks Rich,
I can see how the PEEP would work but in this instance I am trying to assess the risks on them doing certain tasks and what could possibly happen should a seizure occur whilst doing this.
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Russ
You need to talk to the sufferer and find out if they know when an attack is coming on. Also are they on medication and any possible side effects which could be such things as nausea, light headedness etc which would preclude using machinery etc.
If it is sudden with no warning (which is rare) then you will have to work out the relationship between sudden collapse and the impact on the task (e.g. unattended machinery or manual handling, working at height etc.
Rich
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Think you have your answer then russ. You are (correctly IMO) risk assessing the task.
If this throws up certain operating parameters in regard to operators/human SKATEL then he/she may/maynot be suitable for the task.
You can't risk assess a person, they are a consideration as part of the assessment in terms of ergonomics etc.
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thanks Rich, I'll see what I can cobble together mate.
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I worked in this area for a time and in my view it should be a personal and not generic RA
Get the person fully involved and any carer that they may have and/or occ health
Written safe systems of work etc. will also need to account for the person
The basics are: Start the process off with undertaking the RA for an average person in that work situation and once happy with that RA add in the additional areas then go from there
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Whilst obviously specific to construction, you might find the new guidance "Medical Fitness to Operate Construction Plant" written by the Strategic Forum provides useful background. It is available free on the Construction Plant Association website.
The task RA will identify the intrinsic functions required. The Equality Act allows an employer to question a person about their ability to perform those functions.
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Russ
The epilepsy risk assessment needs to be specific to the individual and their work activities (rather than a general vulnerable persons RA). No different, for example, than a new/expectant mother risk assessment. Depending on the tasks/work activities they are required to carry out it may be helpful to do separate risk assessments for some of the tasks which are inherently higher risk and would require a more complex solution to mitigate risk.
You've said you've already got information about triggers, seizure types, post seizure support.
Another thing to consider, if you've not already, is any support the individual may need if they were to have a seizure. In my organisation we request permission from the person to share information about their epilepsy with colleages - in particular first aiders. This helps ensures that they will get any appropriate support they may need (including use of any rescue medication to help bring them out of a seizure).
Epilepsy Scotland has a good practice guide for employers which may be helpful: http://www.epilepsyscotl...ational-Health-Guide.pdf
Epilepsy Action website also has specific information about employement: http://www.epilepsy.org.uk/info/employment
Hope this is of some use.
Sam
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I'd also speak to your insurers to check if they have any stipulations about what they will cover regarding a person with epilepsy; I once worked for a Company where the insurers point blank refused to insure any person with epilepsy to be employed in certain positions due to the operation of heavy plant.
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Russ
Your R.A. for first aid should take this into account of your operative under disabilities - due to the fact it is a temporary disability to function.
PM me (mark subject line IOSH so I don't delete it as junk) I have a pdf on epilepse passed to me by a forum member on the old site.
Badger
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We have undertaken a risk assessment for a person with Epilepsy before and found that the best thing you can do is find out what they need and talk to them about there condition. We found that they knew the triggers and when it was starting and so it was about us enabling them to have a safe place to go to in the event of a seizure happening. If you want a copy let me know and I can clear all personal data so you have an example.
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