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Hi all,
I have 4 offices around the London area. Any idea of what price I should be being charged for Fire Risk Assessments? two offices are two storey with offices on both floors and two are two storey`s with a flat above (privately owned and nothing to do with the office).
The foot print is 8 X 12 meters (96sqm) roughly for each of the offices. All offices are for general use i.e. paperwork only.
I just want to know rough estimates to make sure I am not being ripped off.
I appreciate all feedback, thank you in advance.
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If I were doing this job (I'm not looking for this work as I am in Scotland) I would be charging by the hour. The size of the premises is not all that relevant but its location and set up would be. I would suspect that it is part of a multi occupancy building so that would increase the time on site because one has to look at how the common areas and services are managed (e.g communal fire alarms etc.). Also probably some time would be spent finding records. Lets say 2 hours on site for each office and an equal amount of office time to obtain documents and write up reports so a total of 16 hours.
My hourly rate is £60.00 plus Vat and you could probably double that in London so you might be looking at a bill of £1920.00 + VAT.
I stress again I am not soliciting for work.
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If I were doing this job (I'm not looking for this work as I am in Scotland) I would be charging by the hour. The size of the premises is not all that relevant but its location and set up would be. I would suspect that it is part of a multi occupancy building so that would increase the time on site because one has to look at how the common areas and services are managed (e.g communal fire alarms etc.). Also probably some time would be spent finding records. Lets say 2 hours on site for each office and an equal amount of office time to obtain documents and write up reports so a total of 16 hours.
My hourly rate is £60.00 plus Vat and you could probably double that in London so you might be looking at a bill of £1920.00 + VAT.
I stress again I am not soliciting for work.
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I would treat it as four separate jobs and each price would have the travelling costs, car parking etc. extra.
Just off the top of my head, and similar to bigrab my fees would be hourly rate based and each job would be in the region of £500.00.
That would include a visit to the location, fire risk assessment on site, anything urgent recommended right away, then report with recommendations provided within one week of the assessment.
There may be a small reduction if all four sites are included?
If I were to do the work I would also require overnight accommodation for two nights minimum, that would probably be £150.00 per night plus travel costs to location and return.
I live in Wirral and would not expect to be offered the work but if you are stuck PM me and I will see what we can organise.
Quite a hefty bill I would imagine?
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I do simular FRAs (offices, low risk, 2-5 storeys and charge about £175-200 a building to include all paperwork, photos, recommendations and quotations for remedials) so £700-800 . To be clear - I am not looking to provide services in London as I'm based in Cheshire. Again, you'll need to add London premiums to these figures
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Wow! I am really surprised with the feedback. There seems to be a very big difference in prices. I have done all the FRA`s for my past companies over the years and have been asked to get offices Risk Assessed for my present company as its not part of my current role.
I got a quote from our current provider of 21 years and was quoted £450 per office. I was not happy with this, not because of the cost of the FRA but, costs were also put forward for additional signage and my feeling is either they have missed this over the last few years or, they a trying to pull a fast one.
Thank you for all your feedback..........
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jarsmith83 wrote:..........................I got a quote from our current provider of 21 years and was quoted £450 per office. I was not happy with this, not because of the cost of the FRA but, costs were also put forward for additional signage and my feeling is either they have missed this over the last few years or, they a trying to pull a fast one.
Thank you for all your feedback..........
If your not happy with the assessors recommendation for additional signage then you can of course challenge that requirement and ask for justification of why they feel additional signage is necessary.
Of course if they are also supplying/fitting the additional signage; and it is justified then you could of course choose to purchase and put up the signage in yourself/house.
I have heard other horror stories on hear about DSE assessing companies that tell employers where they are assessing that £1000 plus super chairs are required, my advice to them is do not give the company performing the RA any corrective work required, otherwise unscrupulous companies could in effect be writing there own pay checks so to speak.
"caveat emptor"
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It never ceases to amaze me the prices that some people try to charge. Assuming that all the offices are the same footprint that you indicated and that all offices are within a quick tube journey of each other, then we would charge £400 plus travel to London for all 4 offices (providing we can get them all done in one day).
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Should have read............... yourself/in-house.............. ;-)
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nsingle111 wrote:It never ceases to amaze me the prices that some people try to charge. Assuming that all the offices are the same footprint that you indicated and that all offices are within a quick tube journey of each other, then we would charge £400 plus travel to London for all 4 offices (providing we can get them all done in one day).
Horses for courses. The cost will be what the client is willing to pay v service offered.
I'd like to charge £20,000 per office, do it one Saturday as a foreigner and then go on holiday for 14 days to Lanzarote whilst I write up the report in the sun.
PM me if you have more money than sense ;-)
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4 assessments in a day? WOW
SBH
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4 assessments in a day? HOW?
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It`s a strange world, the world of FRA`s. When I was on the tools as an electrician I used to base my price on an hourly rate i.e. £21 an hour x 10 = 210
I have just have had another quote put forward for £800 with no explanation or break down of costs! I think in house would be best and I am sure my director will agree when I put forth a cost analysis :-). Just went into shock when the company just told me that they would do a deal of £205 for a water extinguisher to be installed.....Co2 £250 and Powder £150, very kind of them.
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jarsmith83 wrote:It`s a strange world, the world of FRA`s. When I was on the tools as an electrician I used to base my price on an hourly rate i.e. £21 an hour x 10 = 210
I have just have had another quote put forward for £800 with no explanation or break down of costs! I think in house would be best and I am sure my director will agree when I put forth a cost analysis :-). Just went into shock when the company just told me that they would do a deal of £205 for a water extinguisher to be installed.....Co2 £250 and Powder £150, very kind of them.
Wow! Are they gold plated?
With regard to other recent posters, I do find 4 assessments (based on first visits/ going in 'cold') a little difficult to digest. I would consider 2 in a day of premises you descriobe to be a maximum (that is what I currently do for my employer). Reviews of familiar 'lower' risk sites are often quicker, so I then occasionally stretch to three if they are in relative close proximity.
However, although I make copious notes at each site, I also like my mind to be fairly fresh when writing up reports; so again, to avoid confusion I limit the amount of site visits in a day because of this also.
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We are all different and from different backgrounds. Personally I have many years fire service behind me and including fire safety and investigation. Further 20 years in H&S and fire risk assessment, I find fra's very interesting but rather simple as long as the premises are not complex.
A 2 storey office building should be as easy one although there can always be the odd exception.
I would attempt 2 in a day but reserve the right to do less or more if practical.
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Two x 2 storey offices and 2 single storey offices with flat above? If they were close together, I would try and do the lot in a (long) day, then spend the next two days writing them up. Three days in total and about £1800 for the lot, or £1500 cash in hand - only joking HMRC :)
That's with a year warranty to revisit & re write if an enforcement authority takes any enforcement action, and a review visit within 18 months at 75% of the original report cost.
Writing the report is one of the invisible costs. It can take longer to write up a FRA than the inspection on the ground and that has to be paid for. As do office costs such as purchasing these hideously expensive British standards and guides - and don't even talk about PI & accidental damage insurance.
I am in London, but sadly fully engaged elsewhere
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