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chris42  
#1 Posted : 04 March 2013 10:39:58(UTC)
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chris42

As some of you may know I’m currently looking for work and have had to sign up to be willing travel to a new job up to 90 minutes away from my home. Fair enough, but you can get quite a distance in 90 minutes. A recent job I applied for should have been within this time frame to travel, but I worked out it would cost me about £7.5k in fuel and bridge tolls (Severn bridge). Now my car may do better on a longer run, but this was based on 32 miles per gallon. Sadly the Job listed a number of potential sites you may have been able to work from, but in later conversations with their HR manager it was going to be the site furthest away (about 70 miles), with the above cost. By the time TAX and NI and the travel costs were taken out there was not going to be much left, even without increased insurance and wear and tear etc.

It made me wonder how far others travel to work on a regular basis, for consultants obviously it will vary but there is probably an average distance. For other unemployed how far are you willing to travel before you would have to move. I remember Stuie saying in his blog he travelled 100 miles to work , but he also knew it was only for a few months.

Obviously a lot of people will travel around after getting to work, but I’m just interested in the commute to get to base. So what do you do and / or think is a reasonable distance. Especially as H&S people we may be called back into work on weekends and evenings adding to our costs.
damelcfc  
#2 Posted : 04 March 2013 11:14:30(UTC)
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damelcfc

It's not mileage that bothers me its time.
I had 13 years 5 minutes away then 2 years 1 hour away- this was a real pain (for me), the thought of a 1 hour run home after a long day was dead depressing.
Other than that I have always lived practically on the doorstep, I'm 5 minutes away again now, but am changing jobs soon, so am moving again - to be 5 minutes away.

I move as and when I move jobs - I know not everyone can/is willing to do this.
SW  
#3 Posted : 04 March 2013 11:51:28(UTC)
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SW

Hi Chris42

I work 100 miles from home permanently but rent a place during the week as a 4hour round trip would be unbearable and me doing this probably works out a bit cheaper too.

I personally would consider a max 90 min each way for a few months or 60 min each way for a good position long term.
stuie  
#4 Posted : 04 March 2013 12:56:16(UTC)
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stuie

Yes you are right Chris - I was travelling 100 each way some months ago. Now it is just under 30 miles (depending if the white stuff is about in which case it is 40) and this takes me about 40 mins.
Liz1  
#5 Posted : 04 March 2013 13:01:23(UTC)
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Liz1

I travel a minimum of 1.5 hours each way - if my trains are on time and I make my connections. However I can get quite a bit of work done on my Blackberry, and usually have some articles or paperwork to read. My main issue is the cost - over £4k a year for my season ticket and nearly £1K for parking at the station.
I get the occassional respite (on average ince a week) when I travel to closer offices.
HSSnail  
#6 Posted : 04 March 2013 13:05:40(UTC)
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HSSnail

I two spend about an hour traveling each way to work and back - what a pity we are not MPs we could claim an accommodation allowance!

ctd167  
#7 Posted : 04 March 2013 13:32:04(UTC)
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ctd167

Would your future employer consider you going self employed?
You can at least claim mileage as a legitimate business expense then.
JJ Prendergast  
#8 Posted : 04 March 2013 14:01:30(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

1mile at the moment.

Sometimes 20-25 miles at various jobs in the past

Has been up to 60miles in the past.

Travel time is more important than distance
Roundtuit  
#9 Posted : 04 March 2013 14:35:27(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Currently have a 180 mile round trip but thankfully due to my role get to spend a couple of nights in hotels which cuts down on the travel fatigue during the week.

Have held various positions - one that was a short walk from home, another involved a 90 mile / 2.5 hr per day commute whilst another involved a 50 mile / 1.25 hr per day commute.

Can empathise on the cost of commuting - once took a cut in headline salary as the calculations showed that disposable income would increase considerably due to not servicing the car 3 times a year and putting fuel in for 25K+ miles per annum.

The one that frequently makes me smile / laugh / despair is when a recrutment agency rings up about a potential vacancy and informs you that "according to Google" (other mapping providers are avaiable) "it is only... an hour away".

Sorry being a realist and frequent business traveller I know that 40 miles to Leeds on the M62 at rush hour just isn't.
Roundtuit  
#10 Posted : 04 March 2013 14:35:27(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Currently have a 180 mile round trip but thankfully due to my role get to spend a couple of nights in hotels which cuts down on the travel fatigue during the week.

Have held various positions - one that was a short walk from home, another involved a 90 mile / 2.5 hr per day commute whilst another involved a 50 mile / 1.25 hr per day commute.

Can empathise on the cost of commuting - once took a cut in headline salary as the calculations showed that disposable income would increase considerably due to not servicing the car 3 times a year and putting fuel in for 25K+ miles per annum.

The one that frequently makes me smile / laugh / despair is when a recrutment agency rings up about a potential vacancy and informs you that "according to Google" (other mapping providers are avaiable) "it is only... an hour away".

Sorry being a realist and frequent business traveller I know that 40 miles to Leeds on the M62 at rush hour just isn't.
DP  
#11 Posted : 04 March 2013 14:39:21(UTC)
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DP

60 mile round trip daily - looking at this I can see that I'm quite fortunate. I do about 35k business miles also.
David Bannister  
#12 Posted : 04 March 2013 14:46:27(UTC)
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David Bannister

Currently work from home, often in slippers, jeans & T shirt. Previous was a nighmare commute over 1 hour/8 miles to the office and blessed relief when seeing a client who could be anywhere in the world!
Heather Collins  
#13 Posted : 04 March 2013 15:04:45(UTC)
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Heather Collins

ctd167 wrote:
Would your future employer consider you going self employed?
You can at least claim mileage as a legitimate business expense then.


Not if you are effectively still acting as you did when you were an employee you can't! Look up IR35 and find out why not. HMRC would soon have you for this.
chris42  
#14 Posted : 04 March 2013 15:38:15(UTC)
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chris42

I don't think I would want to be tarnished by being an MP and oddly don't possess slippers. I'm unemployed at the moment so the 90 minutes is what the job Centre expect every unemployed person to be willing to travel. No I would not look forward to the time, but at the moment money would be good.

Like all the comments so far, The job I was shortlisted for recently was only 5 minutes car or 30 if I walked, but alas not to be.

Interesting the journey time / distance comments so far.
Ron Hunter  
#15 Posted : 04 March 2013 15:51:24(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Perhaps the overriding issue here is that someone on benefits might suffer detriment were they to turn down such a job.
Perhaps safer to apply public transport as the 'reasonable yardstick' in this instance?
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#16 Posted : 04 March 2013 16:33:54(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

Consider the plight of those who live and/or work in London. It can be a nightmare to travel across the city, to get into it, or out again, often packed like cattle in an overcrowded commuter train that gets nowhere fast in circumstances where the parking and congestion charges for your car would blow your calculations out of the water.

Still, what do I care? I got my old folks travel card just the other day, and can now strap hang on the tube, my face pressed into someone' armpit, completely free of charge!
fiesta  
#17 Posted : 04 March 2013 16:52:17(UTC)
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fiesta

I currently do about 55 miles each way.
Chesterfield to Leeds. Its almost entirely motorway so the cost stays just on the right side of bearable.
Its definitely the time - currently about 1h 20min each way.
I used to work in Sheffield which was much nicer but that Co. went pop so choices were limited.
messyshaw  
#18 Posted : 04 March 2013 17:30:18(UTC)
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messyshaw

28 miles there and back each day via public transport, which equates to 40 minutes to work and 1hr 20 on the way home. Costs? About £1700pa

(Ian, I still have to pay for the delight of travelling on London's creaking transport network, including the daily dose of my fellow communter's BO. With my annual fare it works out at about £4.20 per armpit) :)

NickH  
#19 Posted : 04 March 2013 17:31:00(UTC)
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NickH

Another thing to bear in mind is the cost/ benefit analysis of an extended commute. If the salary is good enough, a 1 hour + commute might be 'doable', if not exactly pleasant. However, if the salary is on the low side, would you realistically be able to absorb the costs longer term?

When I started with my current employer, I had a 30 mile/ 50 minute each way commute. However, due to personal circumstances, I now live 2 miles/ 10 minutes away...

That said, I used to often (and still do) start my travel to site visits from home, so commute costs those days were academic as the journey was on legitimate expenses.

pete48  
#20 Posted : 04 March 2013 18:30:36(UTC)
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pete48

Isn't the DWP criteria based on using public transport? We were told to get on our bikes in the 70's; today the message is the same but the mode of transport has changed, now it is get on the bus! (using free bus passes)

There are so many variables that it is not easy to be specific. I have, in the past, travelled 70 miles each way by car for a couple of years. At first the traffic was fine; a couple of years later it was hopeless and the journey was taking up to 3 hours each way. I just wasn't effective in my role anymore.
I also had a period of commuting 25 miles in the Sth East rush hour each day. Only about an 3/4 hour door to door but it nearly killed me, couldn't hack the overcrowding. I had to leave after a year.
I had another job where I drove approx 40,000 miles a year and had other travel demands on top. Loved it but never realised how much it was taking from me until I stopped doing it. Sometimes we need to be protected from ourselves!
From experience I would seek no more than one hour each way if driving a reasonably easy route and 90 minutes if public transport is reasonable. (e.g. some outer suburban journeys to a nice place in the country)

p48
johnmurray  
#21 Posted : 04 March 2013 19:54:10(UTC)
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johnmurray

ron hunter wrote:
Perhaps the overriding issue here is that someone on benefits might suffer detriment were they to turn down such a job.
Perhaps safer to apply public transport as the 'reasonable yardstick' in this instance?



If a suitable job is available you ARE expected to move home.
Turn down employment, anywhere, and your benefit will be stopped.
If you are not prepared to move or travel, perhaps you should not apply for jobs that far away ?
cbrpete  
#22 Posted : 04 March 2013 21:05:33(UTC)
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cbrpete

if you have to sign on, NEVER tell them you have a car, 90 minutes travel is normally alot less distance on public transport.

i live in a village in north wales with minimal public transport, which always helped.

i have had to sign on a couple of times in the last 5 years, they would expect me to travel miles for minimum wage, refuse 3 and lose your benefits.

the most i have ever travelled is 25/30 miles but could take an hour with traffic, half on normal roads and half stuck in city centre.
boblewis  
#23 Posted : 04 March 2013 22:17:07(UTC)
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boblewis

When working in south London 90min often meant a mere 10mls
sadlass  
#24 Posted : 04 March 2013 23:45:46(UTC)
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sadlass

Regarding the DWP 90 minutes travel time to work: this came in relatively recently (April 2012?) before that it was 60 minutes. As it is impossible to legally run a car on unemployment benefit of £71 a week - assuming you also eat and use SOME heating, the 90 minutes has to be by public transport. This really reduces the range. If there is no public transport (and where I live there is very little) then a 90 minute walk . . . I am not convinced that you can be FORCED to relocate - otherwise there would be nobody living at all in some remote areas of the UK.

My first H&S job was a 2 hour moped / train / tube commute - then 2 hours back. But I found that was a good opportunity to read, study and relax. I was less stressed in that job than less demanding commutes by car later. The train commute would not be pleasant these days, I gather it is standing room only.

I have had quite a few years of weekday lodging with weekend home runs, and it gets to you after a while. The nearest job I have had to home was 12 miles. Bliss. However, if you seek career progression and do not live in or near a metropolis, there are limited options. I chose the long commute over standing still.
alan w houghton  
#25 Posted : 05 March 2013 07:36:54(UTC)
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alan w houghton

I must be lucky 10 mile round trip for the last 11 years
Previously worked away stayed in hotel all week fortunately the company paid
would hate a long commute but needs are must I suppose
damelcfc  
#26 Posted : 05 March 2013 08:38:44(UTC)
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damelcfc

sadlass wrote:
However, if you seek career progression and do not live in or near a metropolis, there are limited options.
Quote:


I agree and have said many times on other threads that there are only so many suitable jobs within a commutable radius of where anyone lives right now.
Eventually for bigger bucks, career progression, whichever, you have to move or travel ridiculous distance/times or hotel it in the week.

Don't be misled by the metropolis though - it really does depend on the individuals 'trade' ie construction or manufacturing or oil & gas.
In my line of work the bigger paying jobs are more often that not in large buildings in the middle of nowhere - sometimes on purpose to disguise from the public just what on earth happens inside and avoid the NIMBY protests!

Thankfully, the only time I travel to London is my once a decade 'treat' of travelling on a train and a day sight seeing - the thought is always better than the actual doing and usually can't get out quick enough!
So many rude, ignorant people in one place at once just does it for me - what's wrong with a smile and a 'hello, mornin'. I shiver at the thought I could get hacked to pieces on a tube train and no-one would see a thing.....
ptaylor14  
#27 Posted : 05 March 2013 09:39:49(UTC)
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ptaylor14

Im doing a 60 mile circular trip aday, it takes an hour each way due to traffic, but have an understanding boss that allows early start and early finish to avoid traffic. The only negative is petrol cost.
chris42  
#28 Posted : 05 March 2013 10:01:31(UTC)
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chris42

Wow, so many of your comments are the thoughts whirring around in my head. Traffic, costs, public transport are all getting worse. Bus to local town 3 miles away, is £3.90 return, so travelling further afield could cost more than you earn. Cars are not much better especially with threats of fuel increases, insurance and general running costs.

Currently they don’t expect you to move ( though may suggest it) but this is only a matter of time looking at the new Gov job seeking site layout. Spending 3 hours a day travelling would not be nice but far more acceptable than staying unemployed. Of course I have a spread sheet to work out wage verses cost so I can easily assess any potential job, and cars can suffer catastrophic failure at a moment’s notice if you know what I mean. Problem is paying £20 in fuel to go to an interview is crippling.

You are correct running a car on £71 a week has only been possible thanks to my sister ( I owe her a lot now), the cost of living increase for me amounts to 70p a week in April ( whoohoo). Cheepo ink for my printer is £25 and I have to print out so much for the job centre. Printer will not print B/W if no colour (grrr). Don’t use my heating anymore ( except on very cold nights for half an hour to stop the pipes freezing only), I have a sleeping bag and hot water bottle which is most efficient.

I have found all your comments on travel very interesting and helpful to know what others are putting up with / getting away with. Slippers indeed ; jealousy strikes, but I’m sure you have worked hard to get yourself in that position, so deserve it.

My last job was around 25 miles away, but even that on some days going home was a bit of an issue especially if I had not had a chance to eat or a proper break during the day. I had to pull over and walk about in the cold on more than one occasion (this is sticking in my mind). The comment we need to be saved from our selves sometimes is so true –worrying about everyone else except ourselves.

Back to job hunting now.
m  
#29 Posted : 05 March 2013 12:24:41(UTC)
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m

I am really lucky to have a commute of about 1.5 miles with the odd site trip
Matt  
#30 Posted : 05 March 2013 14:59:31(UTC)
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Matt

I agree with Chris42 when he states, "cars can suffer catastrophic failure at a moment’s notice".

Whilst unemployed last year and travelling from the interview for the job I currently hold, my car broke down.

In the six months that I have been in the position:

1 replacement clutch
1 replacement gearbox
Shock absorbers replaced
1 replacement tyre

and one occassion when my car was broken into!

Prior to this, two years of no problems with my car.

Oh... and to stay on topic... 18 mile round trip each day to and from the office approx 20-30 mins each way.
Darren Guy  
#31 Posted : 05 March 2013 15:57:36(UTC)
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Darren Guy

I think its a difficult balance. I currently drive 75 miles e/w which takes me 1hr 20. I don't think its the distance that bothers me but more the time. My travelling time is 11hrs 40 mins per week. Add that to my working hours, I am into nearly a 57 hour week. I have a young family and I seem to miss out a lot on seeing them as a result. I guess its normal for people to get into this habit and I know people that commute 2 hrs e/w every day and have overtime on top - some days spending more time travelling and working than being at home before the next day begins. As a safety practitioner its difficult to look at stress and fatigue having an impact on safety at work when I travel as much as I do and my work life balance is on an uneven kilter! I guess I will keep my options open and keep an eye out for another job.....
wizzpete  
#32 Posted : 06 March 2013 09:30:42(UTC)
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wizzpete

I used to drive 1hr 15 mins for a 38 mile commute to work and the same again to come home. At the time I took that post I was unemployed having been 8 months out of work following redundancy so it was irrelevant at the time; earned income is better than zero income even accounting for travel costs. I took a promotion recently and now drive 50 mins for a 45 mile trip, but that's a boring motorway grind and if I don't leave at 6am I could probably double my journey time. I do get to work from home one or two days a week, so that helps.

It seems that in order to get a job you enjoy you have to travel, unless you are really lucky.
IanF  
#33 Posted : 06 March 2013 09:41:52(UTC)
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IanF

I live in Swindon, but my base used to be Bristol - so, a round trip of about 80 miles, and roughly 1.5 - 2 hours travel a day. You needed to leave crack of dawn to avoid traffic build-up, so I'd usually be at my desk before 7am.

I'm luckier now, in that my base (at least currently) is in Swindon, so I can have a nice 30 minute walk into work.

However, like many of us, I'm on the road a lot, covering a fair large patch. A previous manager indicated that it was acceptable to do about 7-8 hours of driving in one day and then do a full day's work if visiting another site; if I were travelling that distance though, I'd probably be booking in somewhere overnight.
Clairel  
#34 Posted : 06 March 2013 11:21:27(UTC)
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Clairel

IanF wrote:

A previous manager indicated that it was acceptable to do about 7-8 hours of driving in one day and then do a full day's work if visiting another site;


Not so. Not when what you have described is not a commute but visiting a site and therefore part of a work activity. I don't know the details off the top of my head but there has been cases of employers being prosecuted for employees crashing whilst asleep at the wheel due to been forced to drive 7-8 hrs and do a full days work.

Personally I haven't commuted, except for the odd short contract, in about 7-8 yrs and I don't think I could ever go back to commuting again. A soul destroying activity.

I work from home and although I might do between 2-6 hrs driving a day, 2-4 days a week, it's not the same as commuting. Different routes, I choose the time of day to avoid rush hour and like I said it's not every day. I consider myself very lucky to be in this situation.
Clairel  
#35 Posted : 06 March 2013 11:23:18(UTC)
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Clairel

(oh for an edit facility)

....and those 2-6hrs driving each day are classed as part of my working day not on top of my working day.
martin1  
#36 Posted : 06 March 2013 11:27:57(UTC)
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martin1

Very lucky at moment - 20 minutes to the office ( although I go out and about during the day ).

Used to work in London - a good 90 mins by tube and then train.

Cost of petrol is becoming a big factor in moving jobs. Could easily have added more to my salary in last few months but would have been pretty pointless once additional cost of petrol was taken into consideration.
IanF  
#37 Posted : 06 March 2013 15:19:40(UTC)
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IanF

Clairel wrote:
IanF wrote:

A previous manager indicated that it was acceptable to do about 7-8 hours of driving in one day and then do a full day's work if visiting another site;


Not so. Not when what you have described is not a commute but visiting a site and therefore part of a work activity. I don't know the details off the top of my head but there has been cases of employers being prosecuted for employees crashing whilst asleep at the wheel due to been forced to drive 7-8 hrs and do a full days work.

Clairel - they definitely knew it was for work purposes and what I was doing at that site (H & S inspection). Luckily I ignored that comment and stay away from home where I think it appropriate.
Hally  
#38 Posted : 07 March 2013 08:33:31(UTC)
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Hally

18-20 miles a day for me depending on which way i go in, takes about 20-25 mins as a rule from Liverpool City Centre to Kirkby.

Thats when i'm in the office as out approx every two weeks for a couple of days as i cover all of our UK sites which range from Aberdeen to the South Coast and South West England.

On Tuesday did about 6 hours driving home (M6 was up the wall at one junction) on top of a 5 hour day at the site.

Normally about 4.5 hours is the max i'll attempt to do in one go (with at least one break in services) but i usually double up on depots so that makes the driving side easier spread over 2-3 days.

For Aberdeen trips (with another central Scotland belt depot) i will drive to Edinburgh/Dundee the night before (approx 4-5 hrs) to split the journey.
wclark1238  
#39 Posted : 07 March 2013 10:41:50(UTC)
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wclark1238

Previously I lived about 4 miles from the office but then I started my current role just over 3 years ago. For the first 6 months I drove 80 miles each way from Wigan to Burton which made for a very long day and put such a premium on the weekends for achieving non-work stuff. By the time I'd arrived home and eaten an evening meal it would be time for sleep in readiness for an early alarm call to start the grind again the following day so it was just about impossible to achieve anything much at home in the week.

Now live in Stoke so drive to and from is about 32 miles which suits me perfectly - I do like a little commute in order to 'gear up' in the mornings and to 'decompress' in the evenings. Happily the A-50 generally flows well so my 32 miles rarely takes more than 45 minutes from door to door. I am fortunate with regard to the cost of commuting that my car is fully expensed for both business and private mileage so my employer is picking up that tab - of course HMRC do 'penalise' me for that benefit but with the number of miles (commuting and other private) that I do I'm well ahead over all.
damelcfc  
#40 Posted : 07 March 2013 11:26:26(UTC)
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damelcfc

wclark1238 wrote:
Previously I lived about 4 miles from the office but then I started my current role just over 3 years ago. For the first 6 months I drove 80 miles each way from Wigan to Burton which made for a very long day and put such a premium on the weekends for achieving non-work stuff. By the time I'd arrived home and eaten an evening meal it would be time for sleep in readiness for an early alarm call to start the grind again the following day so it was just about impossible to achieve anything much at home in the week.

Now live in Stoke so drive to and from is about 32 miles which suits me perfectly - I do like a little commute in order to 'gear up' in the mornings and to 'decompress' in the evenings. Happily the A-50 generally flows well so my 32 miles rarely takes more than 45 minutes from door to door. I am fortunate with regard to the cost of commuting that my car is fully expensed for both business and private mileage so my employer is picking up that tab - of course HMRC do 'penalise' me for that benefit but with the number of miles (commuting and other private) that I do I'm well ahead over all.


You forgot to add the smell of marmite and lashings of Coors/Carling (other beers are available) make Burton a worthy place to work ;-)
Jane Blunt  
#41 Posted : 07 March 2013 11:39:58(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

There are several cases in this document relating to driving while at work/driving to work in conjunction with excessive hours

http://www.roadsafebusin.../5021/pdf/LegalCases.pdf
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