Hi All, I have employees working on the customers premises within a large warehouse. The customer has completed a Fire risk assessment, my question is do I have to do my own fire R/A or will the customers suffice? (The customers r/a is very detailed & completed by the on site fire department). I believe the Management Regs have some guidance on this but I cant locate it. My concern is that if there is a fire and my company gets asked to supply a fire RA technically we wont have one.

JJ is correct in as much as you need to consider how your activities will affect the customer's premises. But the premises belong to your customer and the FRA is their responsibility. I suggest that you liaise with the customers to decide if any changes are required to the FRA and then ensure that your colleagues are aware of the significant points of the resulting FRA. I don't think that you need to conduct an independent FRA yourself.

I refer you to the Management Regs, Reg 11 and the supporting guidance within the L21 ACoP - particularly person in control. In the circumstance you describe you should most definitely NOT be attempting an 'alternative' FRA.

You don’t really give us much to go on! From what you have said I can’t picture at all what the activity of the main premises is, what YOUR activity within that premises is, or how long your employees are going to be there doing whatever they are doing etc In that respect it is almost impossible for anyone to give you anything too much in the way of a helpful answer. However, IF the activity that your employees are doing is likely to significantly alter the ‘fire risk’ then this doesn’t necessarily mean that the premises FRA needs to be changed (and then changed back when you leave) but that the transient risk (I assume it is transient?) still needs to be managed, perhaps by a permit or a simple risk assessment of your own activities. MHSWR does cover shared arrangements.

Hi All, We permanently occupy a warehouse on a customers manufacturing site. The warehouse is low risk and the site has a dedicated fire service due to aircraft movements. The warehouse has approx. 100 staff. The customer & owner of the warehouse has completed an in depth Fire r/a (with help from the fire service). a) If the owner of the building has completed a suitable & sufficient r/a then do I need to also complete one? b) If I use the owners r/a and there is a fire etc, will my company be expected to produce an independent fire r/a?

Something to think about- Fire Safety law in Scotland is different than the rest of the UK. Its duty to conduct a FRA is the persons in control to any extent of the premises, in which this may be more that one person. This means the owner of the premises has a duty to conduct an assessment (could be mainly concerning the fabric of the building) and the occupier has a duty to assess (manly the control and management of the building). A good example of this is a registered care home that is owned by a housing association, which is responsible for the building itself, the gas boiler and the fire detection equipment etc... However, the care provider who is managing the building is responsible for safe evacuation, fire wardens, the day to day running, controlling combustible materials in the building etc... So therefore two assessments may be completed, one by each partie. On another note, find below extract from Scottish Fire Law. (2)Each employer shall— . (a)carry out an assessment of the workplace for the purpose of identifying any risks to the safety of the employer's employees in respect of harm caused by fire in the workplace;

Just taken a look at the RRFSO 2005, and it stated that the RP is the employer if the workplace is under his control. I have noted in the post, permanent warehouse, 100 employees, I conclude the logistics company is the RP for the warehouse as the warehouse is under his control.