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jarsmith83  
#1 Posted : 11 March 2013 10:39:13(UTC)
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jarsmith83

Dear all

Does anybody have a document such as a PowerPoint presentation will details all of the legal duties/requirements and surrounding legislation of permit?

I would appreciate direction to any useful documents (apart from the HSE guidance as I already have this to hand).

Thanks in advance....
Kate  
#2 Posted : 11 March 2013 10:41:20(UTC)
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Kate

There are no legal requirements for a permit to work. A permit to work implements some aspects of the legal requirement in HASAWA for a safe system of work.
RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 11 March 2013 11:21:43(UTC)
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RayRapp

Agree with Kate, no legal requirement for a PTW. I do have some information on best practice for a PTW system which could be used for a PP presentation, if you are interested PM me.
jarsmith83  
#4 Posted : 12 March 2013 12:18:49(UTC)
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jarsmith83

Thanks for the reply's

You have highlighted the problem I have. I have been requested to put together a Power Point Presentation highlighting the legal requirements of a permit to work system and why it should be adopted i.e. become a health and safety salesman for the day to the clients staff. Annoying position seeing as its not really something that should involve our company but anything for the client.

I have made reference to HASAWA 1974 Section 2(2)(a-e) Without prejudice to the above, the matters to which the duty extends include: (a) Provision and maintenance of safe plant and safe systems of work. I have made reference to high risk works therefore, Management regulations, regulation 3 and then ?????????????????

Has anyone got any good case law? I think this would be a good avenue to 'sell' permit to work practice.
pl53  
#5 Posted : 12 March 2013 12:52:29(UTC)
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pl53

Not case law but the usual event used to illustrate the importance of managing permits is Piper Alpha.
Permit was issued for maintenence on a pump, pump was removed and pipe capped off temporarily. Details of permit were not handed over between shifts and supervisor of next shift started up production on line that was capped resulting in explosion and loss of life. Those are the rough details, I'm sure someone will correct me if I have gone wrong anywhere but the upshot is that a permit won't keep you safe, it's managing the process correctly that does that.
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 12 March 2013 13:22:31(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Following worth a read:
para 199 of HRS25 Memorandum of Guidance on Electricity at Work Regs.
paras 75-78 of L101 Confined Spaces ACoP (revised edition)

Not "law" but certainly Industry common and best practice in many instances.
smitch  
#7 Posted : 12 March 2013 13:40:09(UTC)
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smitch

As pl53 has pointed out Piper Alpha disaster is sometimes used to illustrate importance of managing PTW.

But as he has also stated the permit alone cannot keep you safe; granted if its prepared utilising the skills of the right people, then it can be used as a means of control for certain types of work that are potentially hazardous; but is how the task/process is actually managed (i.e. what people actually do or do not do) that will determine how safe it is.

If you want a bit more info on Piper Alpha then the following links may be of some use (plenty of other sources also available of course):
http://www.iosh.co.uk/gr...r_alpha_20_years_on.aspx
https://osha.europa.eu/e...s/hw2010/.../5-piper.pdf

Couple of links to video clips (again other are available)
http://vimeo.com/43095882
http://vimeo.com/43097694
jarsmith83  
#8 Posted : 12 March 2013 15:30:41(UTC)
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jarsmith83

Thanks guys for the superb feedback

My current presentation does actually consist of the Piper Alpha incident so the video clips are definitely a welcome addition for impact purposes, thank you.

Will definitely take a look at the recommended read Ron, again much appreciated.
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