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Hi all,
As a lot site utilities have moved on from PAT testing to HAV. I wondered if anyone had come up with an optimum solution as to how to go about dealing with the HAV.
We currently health screen every 2 years for the site workers and have made our own individual record sheets for monitoring. They also carry copies of INDG 296 with them. The problem is we have a couple of, lets just say the old and bold generation who feel the need to be obstreperous at every turn and want everything to be "just so" before they work on site.
We have looked at HAVmeters (cost) and the traffic light system for tagging the tools. The problem with the tagging is that the site supervisor does not want to go down this route as he feel it will take to much to sort out and create to much work going forward. he want us to monitor for the next few months and see what the records are like after we collate the information.
So to that end I hoped that someone out there may have a solution for us or at least an alternative for the time being as I have a big worry that there may be cause for a claim soon if we do not action this.
Help most welcome....
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descon297 wrote:Hi all,
We have looked at HAVmeters (cost) and the traffic light system for tagging the tools. The problem with the tagging is that the site supervisor does not want to go down this route as he feel it will take to much to sort out and create to much work going forward. he want us to monitor for the next few months and see what the records are like after we collate the information.
Help most welcome....
Trouble is you have a duty to monitor and control exposure - cost, time and effort are not going to cut it, because the duty not to expose over the limit value is absolute!
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l140.pdf
You have to go down the route of determining exposure in some way - and colour tagging is probably a good start. If you are above the action value then you will probably need to use monitors as well (as risk assessment identifies)
I have always started with a list of all tools and the vibration rates, put these into a spread sheet (use the maths in the guidance) and calculate time taken to reach action value (this is easier with colour tagging as you can use worst case figures to screen)
next record trigger time (which you say you already do)
Input this into the spread sheet to calculate estimated exposure using the literature information
if risk is high - measure to confirm
health surveillance is only a requirement once over the action value (or if risk assessment indicates a risk) - I note you do this, but don;t forget this is a reactive measure and when you have an employee diagnosed with HAVS it's a bit late.
So the answer - there is no easy solution, and when a claim comes through you will need to be able to prove what the exposure was!
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There are other ways to deal with employees who repeatedly fail to comply or cooperate with the employer's reasonable arrangements..............
I take it by "health screening" you do mean formal occupational health surveillance. I'm not aware of any "screening" process for HAVS. Properly applied, Occ Health Surveillance would generate a more frequent recall when an individual issue was identified.
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When you mention HAV metres there are ones which ‘dock’ onto a docking station. This could be held in the office. From there the operator picks it up at the start of the day. He then attaches it to the tool.
There is a colour scheme to give a green/amber/red visual to the operator and or supervisors who might be watching.
Also once the HAV metre is ‘docked’ back up to the station there is data taken and readings can be produced.
If you are concerned about claims I would (if you could) go done the route of enforcing some of the more appropriate control measures.
As you’ll know you’ll need to do an assessment and with the best will in the world getting the ‘trigger’ time as accurate as you can is a job in itself. Theses HAV metres do this for you.
I would try and dig deep and even try a trial with them? See what comes of that?
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Thanks to you all for the information. It confirms my suspicions that the company has been a little soft with this issue. I haved forced the site manager into a trail on the Hav meters. So lets just see.
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If cost is an issue and you have a small number of users then take a look at the HAVi. http://www.thehavi.com we use these in our sanding shop and have found them a good and cost effective solution to measuring trigger time and daily points exposure
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There is a requirement for the tester to put the points value on the machine label...I will have to look out the reference..but that was what our last tester completed which helps with the daily calc without the need for a device..
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