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Ron Hunter  
#1 Posted : 15 March 2013 12:51:49(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I admit to opening this page with some trepidation: http://www.bbc.co.uk/new...ghlands-islands-21792619 to find: "The local authority said balloons and lanterns could cause litter problems and harm wildlife." Hurrah! Not a mention of elf'n'safety !!! Maybe the tide is turning..........................
Canopener  
#2 Posted : 15 March 2013 13:27:02(UTC)
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Canopener

Give it time!
son of skywalker  
#3 Posted : 15 March 2013 14:51:35(UTC)
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son of skywalker

A malfunctioning lantern released by someone (not my brother) just missed landing on top of his conservatory and it would have melted a lovely hole in the roof. I still have the picture of him, in my head, standing with the garden hose at the ready. Couldn't stop laughing for ages! There are problems with these but they are manageable. They should not be banned outright.
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#4 Posted : 15 March 2013 17:08:41(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

It's a safety issue if you're caught in a fire and it's then going to be bad for your health too, as it might be for livestock and wildlife. Same mistake as so arrogantly and repeatedly displayed by the smarties at HSE* who seek to debunk any use of health & safety is if doesn't dovetail precisely into some specific piece of legislation. http://forum.iosh.co.uk/...spx?g=posts&t=108073 *HSE Mythbusters or whatever they call themselves. I get unimpressively smug press releases every week or so, including one this very morning.
messyshaw  
#5 Posted : 15 March 2013 19:05:09(UTC)
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messyshaw

I absolutely hate these lanterns. They have no place in British culture and are used by the ignorant & terminally selfish so they can enjoy 5 minutes of 'fun' without a thought for anyone or anything else. I would support just about any measure to reduce their use
BigRab  
#6 Posted : 16 March 2013 09:48:35(UTC)
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BigRab

ian.blenkharn wrote:
It's a safety issue if you're caught in a fire and it's then going to be bad for your health too, as it might be for livestock and wildlife. Same mistake as so arrogantly and repeatedly displayed by the smarties at HSE* who seek to debunk any use of health & safety is if doesn't dovetail precisely into some specific piece of legislation. http://forum.iosh.co.uk/...spx?g=posts&t=108073 *HSE Mythbusters or whatever they call themselves. I get unimpressively smug press releases every week or so, including one this very morning.
Yes Ian agreed, but it is not within the remit of the HSE because it is not a work activity. The impression given by the MSM is always that anything that might harm you is 'elf n safety. This report is a welcome departure from that sort of lazy sensationalist journalism.
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#7 Posted : 16 March 2013 11:00:10(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

Does it matter if it is at work or not? If you work for me and I say you can't to xyz because I'm concerned about, for example, the safety of my business that for me, and for my business it is every inch a H&S issue. Same at home. Take a read through the smug output from the HSE Mythbusters, and cringe at the unprofessional attitude that perceives nothing outside the rigid framework of the law. HSE do not have a patent on the term, it's not exclusively theirs to use on sufferance and only as they should choose. To use it otherwise, in the less formal ways described above, is not wrong in any way. Nor should it receive sarcastic comment from HSE. I suppose it is important to the organisation to be seen in the popular press, to be 'out there' and recognised by the government as active in so many ways. Who knows, someone might even pick up a cozy performance-related bonus or cut some slack for their expenses account but please HSE, cut the carping at the very use of the term health & safety. It is not yours alone.
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 16 March 2013 20:33:38(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

For the record Ian, I entirely support your view. I was only pleased that for once a prohibition was not all about "health and safety reasons".
Zimmy  
#9 Posted : 17 March 2013 08:15:03(UTC)
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Zimmy

At last the wind is blowing in the right direction and not from a warm dark place!
Invictus  
#10 Posted : 18 March 2013 07:38:17(UTC)
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Invictus

How can anyone hate a latern, it does nothing but lie in a box with a small candle that lasts very little time. As said it lasts five minutes if that once you light it. Surely if people want to light them and send them it's up to them. I can understand if people have suffered because of the use of them that they don't like them, but to ban everything that we don't like is a bit strong.
colinreeves  
#11 Posted : 18 March 2013 13:45:10(UTC)
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colinreeves

Invictus wrote:
Surely if people want to light them and send them it's up to them.
Unfortunately it is not as simple as that - it is expensive in abortive rescue missions. Just one press release from the MCA below. Think of the cost of a lifeboat or a helicopter being scrambled .... http://www.dft.gov.uk/mc...EF832&m=4&y=2011
Invictus  
#12 Posted : 18 March 2013 13:52:56(UTC)
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Invictus

colinreeves wrote:
Invictus wrote:
Surely if people want to light them and send them it's up to them.
Unfortunately it is not as simple as that - it is expensive in abortive rescue missions. Just one press release from the MCA below. Think of the cost of a lifeboat or a helicopter being scrambled .... http://www.dft.gov.uk/mc...EF832&m=4&y=2011
Well that's two reports I am aware of when something has happened because of balloons of course not counting the 99 balloons that nearly started a war. But you can dislike or even hate the people who set them off or make them but can you hate the ballons or labterns. I wonder how many people nearly looked stupid by repoprting them as UFO's. Maybe like fireworks we should try and restrict to certain times of the year.
paulw71  
#13 Posted : 18 March 2013 15:32:15(UTC)
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paulw71

There was the case of armed police and helicopters being called out to shoot a childs stuffed tiger toy. Perhaps they should also be banned in case someone makes a mistake and an expensive police call out arises ?
Invictus  
#14 Posted : 18 March 2013 15:43:43(UTC)
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Invictus

Maybe we should issue everyone with small fire extinguishers and hard hats just in case we come across any and then we would be able to deal with them. It was a stuffed tiger toy imagine the damage this could cause if it fell on someone. I was being flippant because I thought you meant a balloon, sorry.
Zimmy  
#15 Posted : 18 March 2013 20:07:01(UTC)
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Zimmy

Stuffed tigers, ufo's...Some strange people sending rubbish into the countryside, animals choking to death on bits of wire...Fireworks scaring the crap out of animals and babies. We are a funny lot :-) There was a young Arab chap wandering about the car boot sale in Singleton hospital (Swansea) a week back. He had a 'fake' semi auto pistol in his belt. I bet he's the sort of light a lantern, no foresight (In his head not on the pistol) This is not a race comment just as it happened so please spare me that!
grim72  
#16 Posted : 19 March 2013 11:07:14(UTC)
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grim72

I must admit I let one off for my Grandads 90th and he loved it. That was before I'd heard the reports about how damaging it can be for farmers/animals when the carcass falls to earth. I believe DEFRA have/are carrying out an investigation into the environmental impact they have on the countryside. I wouldn't set another one off I dont think.
m  
#17 Posted : 19 March 2013 12:37:27(UTC)
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m

I was tempted to say that this is just a lot of hot air but there was the report of one landing on a house roof and starting a fire: http://www.dailymail.co....-roof-family-sleeps.html
chris42  
#18 Posted : 19 March 2013 13:41:57(UTC)
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chris42

Some of these were set off at a friend’s birthday party, some took off and floated off into the distance, some would not leave the ground and a couple went up 20 feet or so and came back down. I have to admit to some amusement as it was a fancy dress party, so there was a very good look-a-like of the Mad Hatter from the recent film, throwing jugs of water onto the roof of the single story club house. However the image that will remain in my mind will be of a full size Mighty Mouse and rather plump Zorro (helped by Shrek) climbing over quite a high spiky topped steel fence into the neighbouring field to put out a bush that had caught fire (again with jugs of water). There was a very short conversation by Shrek and Princess Fiona (not me) about where the others may land before going back to the rock band in the club. Outcome of conversation was probably should not do that again. Those little fuel blocks seemed quite capable of melting the tarmac in the car park and keep burning for a considerable time, even when deliberately trying to extinguish them.
Zimmy  
#19 Posted : 19 March 2013 18:45:51(UTC)
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Zimmy

Litter in the country and a danger to animals is a good reason to ban them but what has this got to do with a 'professional' Health and safety at work forum?
achrn  
#20 Posted : 20 March 2013 08:56:02(UTC)
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achrn

chris42 wrote:
There was a very short conversation by Shrek and Princess Fiona (not me) about where the others may land before going back to the rock band in the club. Outcome of conversation was probably should not do that again. Those little fuel blocks seemed quite capable of melting the tarmac in the car park and keep burning for a considerable time, even when deliberately trying to extinguish them.
Not so long ago I came across one sitting on the road about a foot from my parked car. I would not have been amused to go to my car and find it had landed a metre to the south, where it would have sat burning away the paintwork on my bonnet. Dropping burning debris randomly from the sky over population centres seems like an act of war to me. I personally don't know how anyone can be so dumb as to think it's a good idea.
chris42  
#21 Posted : 20 March 2013 09:12:12(UTC)
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chris42

Achrn I agree, but they freely sell them and people don't necessarily think these things through. Then again we still sell fireworks and they also don't always go to plan. If these things work they go up any only come down when fuel is spent and you have a piece of paper and small bit of wire remaining (less dangerous than the stick from a firework rocket IMO). That is when they work. As said above not work related unless part of a formal event.
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