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safezone  
#1 Posted : 12 April 2013 09:36:26(UTC)
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safezone


Morning all,

My company will be working on domestic roofs on a daily basis. The work will involve breaking through the roof to install wiring into the attic and also removing tiles and fixing rails.

As these are domestic properties they are unlikely to have asbestos surveys, so what would be the recommended procedure to manage contact with asbestos ?

Thank you in advance
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 12 April 2013 09:44:47(UTC)
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RayRapp

It depends partially on who is the Client a per CDM Regs?

safezone  
#3 Posted : 12 April 2013 09:47:25(UTC)
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safezone


Thanks for your reply Ray, the job(s) will not fall under CDM regulations but the client will be there owner of the house.

All jobs will be complete in a day, maximum two
bilbo  
#4 Posted : 12 April 2013 10:05:02(UTC)
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bilbo

At the risk of stating the obvious - are the domestic roofs not surveyed prior to the works and does this not include things like premises/roof age as this will have a relevance as to whether ACM's are likely to be encountered. Are the operatives trained in what to look for and what action to take if ACM's are discovered all of this and more is covered in the HSE's Asbestos web pages with loads of freely available downloadable stuff to assist.
safezone  
#5 Posted : 12 April 2013 10:33:00(UTC)
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safezone


Thank you for your reply bilbo.

The surveyors are not qualified to look for asbestos at present.

The operatives working on the roof will have asbestos awareness training but that is all.

I am yet to start with the company so not 100% sure on practises. I am just trying to get as much information as possible before hand
MEden380  
#6 Posted : 12 April 2013 10:48:06(UTC)
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MEden380

Safezone - please all construction and maintenance work is covered by the CDM Regulations even when the client is a domestic property owner. Contractors and designers still have duties under regs 25 -44 and schedule 2
If you suspect asbestos then you should arrange the areas to be worked on / around to be surveyed and charge the client accordingly.
As mentioned before you have a legal obligation you ensure your sparkies are trained in asbestos awareness - remember if you are removing tiles that contain asbestos you can not replace them you have to use new. Then what is your response if they come across asbestos - has this been discussed with the clients as there could be extra costs and time delays in removing ACMs (14 day notification if it is a licensable material).
bilbo  
#7 Posted : 12 April 2013 11:06:23(UTC)
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bilbo

safezone - "surveyors not qualified to look for asbestos at present" is a little worrying!! Some learning is required for them fairly urgently. As to the operatives working on the roof - awareness training OK but they will need to be familiar with the relevant aspects of HSE's "Asbestos Essentials" a number of these worksheets will describe all that is need to be put in place to meet current requirements. They will also help with understanding what can and what can't be done unlicensed. As others have indicated there are also other duties to be met here including CDM.
boblewis  
#8 Posted : 12 April 2013 11:25:52(UTC)
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boblewis

Sorry but if the operatives are to remove what acm they find then Awareness Training only is totally INSUFFICIENT.

Again a surveyor who cannot spot potential acm is not really suitable for this sort of work. Get them trained and develop systems for recording potential situations and then update these with the survey results- Refurbishment/Demolition.

You are running very close to the wind.

Bob
CliveLowery  
#9 Posted : 12 April 2013 11:50:07(UTC)
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CliveLowery

I think Bob's last comment "You are running very close to the wind" may be a bit of an understatement!

Without wishing to be patronising I think you should read up on the attached links before proceeding any further.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/asbestos/

http://www.hse.gov.uk/co...ion/cdm/faq/domestic.htm

http://www.hse.gov.uk/co.../cdm/faq/domestic.htm#q5

Regards

Clive
AndyF  
#10 Posted : 12 April 2013 12:40:57(UTC)
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AndyF

As others have stated, all construction work comes under CDM 2007.

Are the properties owned by the resident or they tenants? If they are tenants then the owner of the property i.e. the landlord, would be the Client and therefore would need to provide Asbestos information i.e. a refurbishment and demolition survey for the work area/s.

As many have stated, Asbestos is not a material to mess around with. You need to get properly trained personnel, or if the above scenario as a tenant is applicable, obtain the information from the landlord.

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