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baal  
#1 Posted : 13 April 2013 09:38:02(UTC)
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baal

You have to go on to a construction site and address potential short comings in their health and safety culture. This might be due to a transient workforce coming from various different safety cultures or a site manager who has done it their way for twenty years and does not want or like change, how would you over come this, and what other obstacles could you expect to find?

Any help would be appreciated.


Brett
Safety Man 1  
#2 Posted : 13 April 2013 13:09:37(UTC)
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Safety Man 1

There are various obstacles in construction items t the present moment.
Site operatives such as foreign engagement such as language barriers, poor health and safety cultures, even for British workers resistance to change and taken short cuts.
The use of notice posters and HSE information in site operatives native language,tool box talks for refresher training. Disciplinary measures or constant offenders.
Site management should move with the times as non compliance could lead to civil claims, loss of reputation for the company and ultimately fines or imprisonment
KieranD  
#3 Posted : 13 April 2013 18:39:35(UTC)
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KieranD

Bmann

I wonder to what extent your questions ' how would you over come this, and what other obstacles could you expect to find?' can be of much use in the situation you describe.

To the extent that you regard your job as 'overcoming' cultural problems and searching for additional 'obstacles', you appear to be setting yourself up for failure rather than the best possible success.

By choosing a handful of useful safety priorities and delivering on them, you increase your chances of gaining momentum and recognition for your own capabilities.

Once you've chosen them, you can also choose to share them with the site manager and invite his/her co-operation and to keep him/her informed about progress, for which you can acknowledge publicly any contribution he/she makes.

And you can choose to write a regular article for the newsletter of any employers' associations of which your firm is a member, including praise for the site's changes in behaviour.

Unfortunately, if you were actually chosen to 'change the culture on site', there are probably rather more appropriate places to ask the question you have than here.
boblewis  
#4 Posted : 13 April 2013 20:00:46(UTC)
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boblewis

The real answer is that you cannot change culture at site level without having first taclked directors, managers and supervisors and got them to identify the culture they will bring about. Sciologically speaking the culture is the agreed way of being agreed by the members of that society. You cannot impose one but simply lead those members to making a decision that accords to some degree with what you wish to achieve. You will always however have a degree of drift once the process starts and will achieve something slightly different.

You can change the Behaviours of operatives etc but only with strong supervision and management. The industry has such a fragmented workforce that few people on site are actually on any employers books full time.

Bob
bob youel  
#5 Posted : 14 April 2013 07:21:28(UTC)
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bob youel

Additionally you need to change the clients culture as until clients change nothing will change as >98% of all clients want cheap and quick jobs and try to put as many barriers between themselves and the site as possible so as if there is a H&S problem they are distant from responsibility and the HSE needs to change as they do not usually [>99% of the time] go after clients and it is getting worse
boblewis  
#6 Posted : 14 April 2013 11:06:14(UTC)
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boblewis

BobY

Absolutely - Hear hear to the last sentence especially
allanwood  
#7 Posted : 14 April 2013 21:21:56(UTC)
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allanwood

Unless change is driven from the very top of the organisation you as a safety professional will only be able to take it so far then you will hit the ceiling and that ceiling will be the directors reluctance to change - the we have always done it this way syndrome.
The construction industry is unlike any other industry in many many ways I.e clients not really understanding the build process , cost focused especially now that work is not as plentiful.
Keep chipping away at the block making small steps rather than big strides and eventually you will get people on board either that or a serious incident will occur and the fall out from this will necessitate those changes in culture and attitude.
boblewis  
#8 Posted : 15 April 2013 09:55:44(UTC)
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boblewis

Not even major accidents can do all that much in truth when one looks at construction. The fiver for the widow/family seems to be the closure on the events.Many will then do what they have always done. Sad but true I am afraid.

There may be short term movement but as memories fade the situation reverts. Only strong pressure from above changes matters for the good. If one looks at BP during the late 1990s it's culture was driven by a strong central leader but as his personal life became difficult then there was drift away from the central culture and major accidents began to occur. The Bay of Mexico oil leak shows that there is no return yet to previous standards.

Bob
jontyjohnston  
#9 Posted : 15 April 2013 13:42:01(UTC)
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jontyjohnston

Could not agree more with the previous replies.

There are however some things that can be done to improve safety in construction, and yes you might say it is culture (depending on your definition).

I was involved in some research looking at this very area and some key things were confirmed regards construction. It is a very dynamic and transient workplace with layers of contracting and often disparate standards, safety being one of them.

What you need to consider is that you cannot really change peoples attitude to safety in that environment, you don't have the time. What you can change is how people behave. So, looking at something like the theory of reasoned action (Fishbein & Ajzen) you can (client willing and leading!) change the drivers of behaviour.

Construction workers move from one site to the next and receive the same inductions, tool box talks, safety posters......blah....blah...on every site. But you need to establish different (safer) norms on a site right from the outset so that when a worker arrives on site the norms you want (safe behaviours) are already established and these will have a strong influence on new workers to conform = work safely. This establishes a "safe culture" on that particular site.

Its not easy and requires buy in from the top, as already stated in previous posts, but it can be done and it can work.
boblewis  
#10 Posted : 16 April 2013 11:08:09(UTC)
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boblewis

Jonty

I agree it can be done and has been done on some major sites and as you and I both say - it needs strong leadership. Unfortunately the strong leadership that is often found in construction is constantly driven by the get the job done now culture from Board level downwards.

I actually believe that there are many managers of the right abilities in construction but they are hamstrung by clients, designers and their own senior management from developing what they would want to achieve. Every site is a tight community and close bonds form even between all from the manager to the most menial operative. They do all share the pain of any adverse event and we need to get them to focus on this joint responsibility for each other - at that site.

You can only help this bond by being part of the struggle - getting them to identify the issues and helping them develop the solutions. Never ever preach what you can and cannot do as this will only turn them off. You have to cease to be the teacher and become the facilitator of change.

Bob
jontyjohnston  
#11 Posted : 16 April 2013 12:18:43(UTC)
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jontyjohnston

Nice post Bob and very well said.

Especially like your last line as my experience reflects that truth of that. We developed some training and took a long time working with pilot teams to translate the academia into site speak that the project manager and chippy could understand at the same course delivery.

When we got there the results were more than we anticipated with everyone looking out for everyone else. Result!
RayRapp  
#12 Posted : 16 April 2013 16:29:58(UTC)
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RayRapp

The problem as I see it is that when it suits supervisors, managers and directors blatantly break the rules when it suits their purpose. This may be due to time pressure, costs, appeasing the client and so on, however this double standard permeates the workforce and creates barriers to safe practices.

Meanwhile, the aforementioned drum on about PPE compliance, housekeeping and all the other soft stuff, it gets really frustrating. I'm all for getting the job done...but I abhor hypocrisy.
Sweep  
#13 Posted : 16 April 2013 21:09:29(UTC)
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Sweep

Some excellent posts here.

I think that many organisations are realising that H/S management is owned by all in the company. The H/S team does not act independantly of design, procurement, site management, senior management etc. However management control does start at the top of an organisation and spreads throughout via directors, senior management and middle management. The workforce recognize this. The question is at what level can safety improvement be most influenced.

A good site manager is worth their weight in gold. Supervisors and foremen will follow suit. However we are all aware that when we attend site the various managers are under enormous pressures to deliver. The safety team are one of many teams putting resource demands on the site.

The problem is that we work in a dangerous industry. We write and review risk assessments to attempt to control. Various factors then combine to ask the site teams to shorten the programme and cut costs along the way.

NLivesey  
#14 Posted : 17 April 2013 08:55:35(UTC)
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NLivesey

Some good points from Bob, Ray & Jonty.

In addition to the stuff about management ownership/commitment and communication/information the other big element that seems to be overlooked is putting together a program that understands the target audience... and then keeping up the momentum. Having experienced a program of this nature there's a lot to be said for getting some pointers from the advertising industry and creating a demand for the 'product' you're selling. Without this you'll be putting a lot of time, effort and cash into a sinkhole without seeing any real change in the safety KPI's.
Corfield35303  
#15 Posted : 18 April 2013 11:58:30(UTC)
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Corfield35303

Culture is very hard to change (and often mis-used as a safety term). Instead its about behaviours and leadership 'style' - I would suggest getting a local supervisor or manager to stick to the local rules or implement them properly requires a simple transactional leadership style. At the site level it appears to be about rules, process and avoiding a deformed link between risk and reward. It sounds like its back-to-basic approach might be helpful.

There is a place for culture change through longer term development of directors 'transformational' leadership style, but a stroppy local manager on site isnt usually the starting point for this work.
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