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leerob  
#1 Posted : 24 April 2013 15:55:04(UTC)
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leerob

Hi, Is a full face respirator necessary when using hydrchloric acid in a water solution to clean walls(Externally), we will also be jet washing the wall after the application. I also have concerns regarding the run off water which will be entering the drains. I have ordered the required clothing such as acid resistant gauntlets, acid resistant rain suit, acid resistant wellington boots but i am not sure about the respirator. I was initially looking at a full face visor and goggles with a half mask but the visor may not sit correctly with the goggles and mask. Is respiratory equipment necessary as the solution container will only be open Momentarily then water will be added to dilute.
Jane Blunt  
#2 Posted : 24 April 2013 16:10:37(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

There is not enough information here to ake a judgement. What is the concentration of acid in the solution at the start? By how much are you diluting it? What quantity is there? What precisely are you doing with it then - painting it on walls? From how far away are you jetting it, and is there a prospect of it splashing over the workers? Eye protection is almost always highly important when handling acids.
Palmer20061  
#3 Posted : 24 April 2013 17:05:32(UTC)
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Palmer20061

If you’re only concerned about the respirator element during the part where you’re diluting the acid it’s probably best to buy the acid ready diluted – otherwise there’s lots of risks with handling acid solutions, taking tops off containers, getting the correct concentration levels. Are you adding water to the acid - or water to the acid, I’m sure one’s dangerous but I can’t remember which way round it is! As I say it's easier to buy it in the concentration you want in the first instance.
leadbelly  
#4 Posted : 24 April 2013 18:26:36(UTC)
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leadbelly

Do what you ought ter, add acid to water. LB
Jane Blunt  
#5 Posted : 24 April 2013 21:04:40(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

That's neat, LB. I was taught it in a much more boring fashion. The heat of mixiing is high and the mixture is likely to boil and spit. Which do you prefer hits you in the face, water with a little acid in it, or acid with a little water in it? It's a no-brainer really!
Chris99  
#6 Posted : 26 April 2013 09:10:10(UTC)
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Chris99

Can I ask why acid needs to be used at all? Have you looked at a wet-blast system like Quill Falcon? A colleague of mine specified it for the removal of asbestos contaminated tar coating from concrete and the wall came up like new. A lot less hazardous than acid, though still requiring it's own controls of course.
Bruce Sutherland  
#7 Posted : 26 April 2013 11:52:42(UTC)
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Bruce Sutherland

LeeRob Are you just trying to get a bit of muck off ie traditional brick cleaning after a messy 2 in 1 gang or are you doing something more sinister? If just brick cleaning then again if only one or two bits or a whole side of a terraced street will affect the control necessary. I think you will get more help from people if you can explain what you are doing - Personally if I could ban grit blasting toys like the quill falcons I would ...extremely noisy - plugs and muffs required and very hard physical work - some contractors I know who used them even had to pay the boys more money to do the work.....!
john_80  
#8 Posted : 26 April 2013 13:24:17(UTC)
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john_80

Why dont you have a look at the Safety Data Sheet for the acid and build a risk arressment around it. It will Identify the PPE requirements for the solution, First aid, disposal, spils..........
john_80  
#9 Posted : 26 April 2013 13:27:53(UTC)
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john_80

I would have thought that the respirator would only be needed if there was poor ventilation. If your working outside there may be enough ventilation to avoid the need for respirators. Although a full face visor is a must.
Jane Blunt  
#10 Posted : 26 April 2013 13:29:33(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

The data sheet will probably only give you the details for the product as supplied. It is unlikely to tell you about what you need for the diluted product and, importantly, what you need to address what you are going to do with the diluted product. The intrinsic hazards tend to decrease with dilution, but the risks will depend very much on the quantity that you are handling and what precisely you are doing (e.g. painting, spraying). Please would the original poster engage in a dialogue so that we can help?
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