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You may remember last year I posted about my daughter being discriminated against by her primary school?
I did receive some good guidance from our fellow professionals and sent off my complaint to the First Tier Tribunal.
As expected the case took its time but was heard by the Tribunal in Liverpool last Monday.
I will keep this short but to let you all know the letter came this morning with the result.
The claim is upheld.
The School are ordered to write to our daughter, using appropriate language for her age and understanding, to apologise for the disappointment of not making the adjustments necessary for her to be able to participate fully in the end of year 6 play.
They are to review with the help of professional experts in the field of disability discrimination its policies.
They are to ensure that all staff are trained as recommended by the experts undertaking the review of its policies.
Within six months of the order the school is to write to the Tribunal and the parents to explain the actions it has taken in consequence of this order.
We initially went through all the right channels with complaint to the school head teacher, then the board of governors who held a complaints committee meeting with us, they decided there was no discrimination?????????
I was not happy with that so went to the top and we are proven to be right.
We now have similar issues as our daughter is at High School now and I think they took guidance on the care provisions from the primary school?
If anyone would like to know more about the claim and how we beat the LEA's Barrister just pm me.
Thanks to those who provide the good advice in the past.
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Good work.
Did neither the school nor the local authority propose or agree to mediation at any stage?
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Kieran, nothing like that was offered, the school just dug in their heels and believed they were right.
The school had a barrister working for them, we did not have any representation. As soon as I saw the barrister I knew they must be worried.
Prior to the start of f the Tribunal the Judge called my wife and I and the barrister into the court room and suggested to the Barrister that he go back to his clients and recommend a settlement and accept what we had asked for.
They agreed about the policies and training but would not apologise.
They now have a Judgement against them.
I wonder if any other school/s in the UK have fallen foul of the Equality Act?
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A good outcome - you must be so pleased and feel vindicated in taking your stand. I guess you 'beat them' by using common sense and a judgement on what is right and wrong. Very happy for you.
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Well done for sticking with it!
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Yes well done for not giving up, which I guess the school was hoping for.
Sadly they don't have a time machine to give your daughter the experience that she missed out on. With any luck the high school are also aware of the result and are responding appropriately.
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Brilliant stuff FS101. I am delighted for you
I enjoy hearing when the underdog wins against (in my experience) big heartless and sometimes belligerent local authorities
I have had more than the odd battle in the past with my incompetent local education authority (and health authority) in getting them to do things they are legally obliged to do in respect of providing adequate support for my son who had SEN issues during his education.
I think the secret is going through - and sticking with - the long winded appeal type systems which do indeed seem to be aimed at bullying you into giving up. It's tough because it's just another day in the office for 'them', but it can be a personal & truly emotionally exhausting process for you & your family.
So well done to you for your determination, success and the generous offer to help others going through the same or similar traumatic process.
As for my son?, well mainly due to his bloody mindedness (where does he that from I wonder?) and hard work - he amazingly went to university and with some blood sweat & tears, achieved a good degree.
I just feel sorry for the kids whose parents are not able (for whatever reason) to fight their way through the almost impenetrable bureaucracy, red tape and ignorance to get what they are entitled to
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Good parents. Nice one chaps.
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Thanks for all the kind remarks.
I'm now looking for a copy of the ACOP relevant to equality. The Judge mentioned the ACOP "2002 issued under the DD Act 1995" still in force.
I have trawled the internet and unable locate such a document. Does anyone have an idea where I can get one?
There are documents relating the higher/further education but I need one for secondary schools.
They are expensive to buy but - hey ho there you go !
He also mentions the requirement to make adjustments by way of auxiliary aids and services, in force since September 2012?
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Regarding the ACOP you're searching for, contact Duncan Abbott MIEHF on 01747 871868
Duncan is also in a good position to inform you about relevant scientifically-validated national/international standards for what you refer to as 'auxiliary aids and services'.
I've no business relationship with Duncan, who's a specialist disability ergonomist, but have observed him as a safety/disability trainer and read his books/articles.
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How different is the response, diametrically opposite to the lauding I read here and predictably vitriolic, when someone dares to present with a claim against your own super safe corner of the business world?
Every reason is proffered to justify throwing out a potential claim, as if being both judge and jury, for what will be presented as a malingering and vexatious litigant who dares raise the possibility of claim. They must not get a penny, and don' event mention RIDDOR. Spoiling a nice clean record really upsets many here, who now gather together to heap praise when the "underdog" dares challenge the system, and wins.
Those dual standards sit together quite uncomfortably. If someone drops a claim on your desk in the morning, which way will you turn?
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Ian, everyone is entitled to their opinion, free speech and all that.
You mention "they must not get a penny".
My claim did not ask for money - just an apology and change in policies for the school.
How many 'claims" do not seek financial compensation?
The Judge ordered in our favour so we are right.
You are Tarring everyone with the same brush, my daughter is eleven years old and has been discriminated against by every school she has attended, only now I feel I have a weapon to use in her defence when her current school discriminates, as they do all the time.
I am not in school with her so I do not know everything that goes on, but I do hear snippits of information and when that includes discrimination I am up to the school and in the head's office.
How many other parents have to do that?
Do you think I was wrong to take the action I did?
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Totally happy about this outcome and wish you well going forward. Let me know the details when you have time. Professionals can be the worst of all.
Doctors are next on my list - they believe that if they treat ALL patients the same then they cannot be discriminatory - It is NOT what the Equality Act 2010 states.
Bob
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Firesafety great news, sorry for hijacking your thread but I had problems with LEA too I have a 7 year old son but have split up with his mum, I have contact every Saturday and pay child support without any problems, his mum registered my son at school using her maiden name, at first I was told by his nursery school that as she had registered him there was nothing I could do however after seeking legal advice I was told it was illegal for her to have done so, I contacted LEA who again told me I was wrong and if I wanted him registered under his proper name which is on his birth certificate I would need a court order???? after lengthy calls backwards and forwards they eventually agreed that my son should be named after the birth certificate, however they refused to apologise and went to great lengths to say it was an error they has been corrected and that his mum (who just happens to be a teacher!) did not use her inside knowledge of the education system to register my son!!!! How much better wouldn't it have been for them to hold their hands up and admit guilt instead of making excuses. you face a lengthy battle if you expect them to admit anything!
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Don't misunderstand - I have no problem with your individual success. It was adjudicated properly and in your favour, and that it that.
But do you not see the contrast? Or a trend toward over-zealous comments applauding success against the odds, beating the system etc, and how badly that sits against the very frequent commentaries here about some gadgee who besmirch ones personal safety record by daring to submit a claim, insisting on an accident book entry or, heaven forfend, a RIDDOR report that must be defended at all costs?
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Well done Firesafety, I'm really chuffed for you.
Things like this do make us remember that in our often cynical way of looking at the EL claims we see, we should remember that some of them will represent workers who've been just as unfairly cared for as your daughter.
Not everyone's playing the system, and it's a hell of a brave struggle for people to try and fix things for the better, as you've demonstrated.
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Your fight, so to speak, was against dual standards. And perhaps they exist here also, or more particularly in the day-to-day activities of so many of those involved with H & S. The evidence is here to see, of support for others that wanes in a heartbeat when our own record of success is jeopardised by a claim. The boot is then on the other foot: how quickly the attitudes can change!
If any of us are to improve, we need to recognise and address that, individually and collectively.
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While the concern expressed about 'dual' standards and habits of doctors may be appropriate, the way ahead is complex on both fronts.
From senior levels, the medical establishment welcomes the improvements possible through applying ergonomics/human factors and support the advances of the Clinical Human Factors Group yet the advances unavoidably take time to deliver results, as not all accomplished and very, very skilful medical practitioners are at ease about what they regard as risks of dilution of professional standards. Recognised as world-class authorities in their fields, some are likely to regard them as more credible than safety practitioners without medical education or advanced scientific qualifications.
In relation to 'dual' standards, to some extent this appears to be inevitable unless every single employer uses Six Sigma methods of quality management to control both safety and equality standards. To the extent that the IOSH promote much higher standards of statistical literacy amongst its members, it will go a fair way to support the improvements highlighted by both Ian and Firefighter, without recourse to unnecessary rhetoric.
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Kieran
In the meantime Doctors, Practice Managers and surgery staff continue to occupy blue badge bays because they are convenient to the staff door!! Have seen it also at hospitals.
Bob
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Well, done I did remember you raising this last year as you say this was not for money but to have your child participate in activities and lead as full as a normal life as she can. As parents it is our role to take the fight on and where we can have changes made. The school had a number of years to make adjustments and it must have been reasonably foreseeable that at the age of 10 your daughter would want to be part of the end of 'primary school life' play with the others children she had grown up with.
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Well done FS
I wonder about this reluctance to apologise? It would seem "everyone" is at it. Is this now ingrained in corporate culture so as not to admit a liability.
If you have a car accident you are told never to admit fault -why?
About 20 years ago I shunted a poor woman's car ( she was out Christmas shopping) in a company car. It was entirely my fault and said as much, with profuse apologies. I got bawled out at work by a company bean counter who was hardly old enough to have a driving licence himself. I explained I didn't share his morals and told him where to go. Which got me into more trouble !!
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This means don't mess with any Purse holders or bean counters.
Bob
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Money was not an issue in my claim.
The school were ignorant of the EA (I believe) and would not listen to me when I asked for reasonable adjustments.
I think it was the teacher's pride that he refused to apologise. Now the school have a Judgement against them instead of a settlement.
I still get similar discrimination on a daily basis at my daughter's secondary school. It is very frustrating but knowing now what I do know, if they don't start coming around to listening to me without an argument every time it won't be too long before I raise a claim against them. I do not want that but if it improves my daughter's situation it may have to be?
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A quiet viewing of the written judgement may be useful
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Firesafety101 wrote:Money was not an issue in my claim.
The school were ignorant of the EA (I believe) and would not listen to me when I asked for reasonable adjustments.
I think it was the teacher's pride that he refused to apologise. Now the school have a Judgement against them instead of a settlement.
I still get similar discrimination on a daily basis at my daughter's secondary school. It is very frustrating but knowing now what I do know, if they don't start coming around to listening to me without an argument every time it won't be too long before I raise a claim against them. I do not want that but if it improves my daughter's situation it may have to be?
FS, I wasn't directly commenting on your case, just saying that society seems to have lost the ability to say "sorry I was wrong".
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Well the school will be saying sorry in the very near future, just a pity they had to be forced into it by the judgement.
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I'm glad you feel you got some justice but isn't it about time this thread was closed. It is no longer related to health or safety but is now about disability discrimination.
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Equality Act 2010 is a H&S regulation therefore this thread is justified being here.
Do threads actually get closed or do they just die away gracefully.
Maybe if you had not posted it wouldn't be at the top now ?
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JohnJ
Just to remind people, as Firesafety has done effectively, that European Guidance has been published with regard to diversity issues at work, inclusive of Disability, They should be considered in all risk assessements. The HSE have adopted this into their general approach.
It is well to be reminded how little such issues are regarded and as a school seems incapable of non discrimination how much more so will employers discriminate within their RAs.
Bob
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FS101 I'm really pleased to hear that this has been decided in your daughter's favour. Having followed your thread last year it generated a lot of positive responses and support from those who post here on a regular basis and to get the good news on the outcome is some well deserved upbeat news.
I'd suggest that we should applaud any outcome that balances the scales where an unfair or unjust act has taken place. It's particularly disapointing to see that some feel the need to chip in with negative comments. If you took the time to search and read FS101's previous thread you'll perhaps understand why FS wanted to publicise the outcome and personally I'm glad to hear the news.
FS, thanks for the update and well done.
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Firesafety101 wrote:Equality Act 2010 is a H&S regulation therefore this thread is justified being here.
Do threads actually get closed or do they just die away gracefully.
Maybe if you had not posted it wouldn't be at the top now ? In what way is this Act H&S regulation? ( full of admiration for what you have done and if you are having trouble at high school you might be better just over the border in Cheshire)
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Thanks for the positive feedback all.
Ken, we tried to move my daughter to another high school in Wirral but they openly stated they need an extra £6k before they could accept her. This has taken 8 weeks now and still await their reply.
We have decided to fight on at her present school, better the devil you know ...............
You could be right about Cheshire education system but I doubt it ?
Cheers for the thought though.
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boblewis wrote:JohnJ
Just to remind people, as Firesafety has done effectively, that European Guidance has been published with regard to diversity issues at work, inclusive of Disability, They should be considered in all risk assessements. The HSE have adopted this into their general approach.
It is well to be reminded how little such issues are regarded and as a school seems incapable of non discrimination how much more so will employers discriminate within their RAs.
Bob Thank you but I'm familiar with the Equality Act having read it when it came out. The principles of the Act were already present in Health and Safety Legislation. This is not Health and Safety Legislation as can be seen by those who introduced, and are responsible, for it - The Departmend for Culture, Media and Sport. I'l not contribute again, I've said my piece and hopefully this HR related thread will disappear.
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While the Equality Act is not H&S legislation, this topic began as raising the issue of a school using H&S as the reason for not including a child in a performance on stage in a school production.
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Whatever the personal beliefs and opinions of John J, there is absolutely no legal boundary in the laws of England and Wales between 'HR' and Safety/Health.
While it is a matter of convention that professional institutes differentiate between them in some ways, any member of the IOSH who accepts its current principles of professional practice about 'Integrity, Competency, Respect, Service' has a responsibility to display understanding of evidence of discrimination in work settings, in relation to any of the personal characteristics defined by law as well as associated cultural issues.
Failure to do so violated the IOSH code of ethics and is a matter of professional misconduct; it's time the IOSH entered the 21st century of competence in this challenging area.
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Why are you getting involved, that's a HR Issue' - Typical response on this forum. HR and Safety, often classed as non-operational and more support functions. Two departments that work together and the 'lines' often merge or indeed cross. Work together or work alone, I prefer the former.
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Mr.Flibble wrote:Why are you getting involved, that's a HR Issue' - Typical response on this forum. HR and Safety, often classed as non-operational and more support functions. Two departments that work together and the 'lines' often merge or indeed cross. Work together or work alone, I prefer the former. I said I wouldn't post again but I didn't expect to be misquoted. I know there is no line between HR and H&S. The equality act however is not a Health and Safety Publication. Keiran, thanks for the quote but you have not read my post nor have you any understanding of how I approach my job in relation to disability and discrimination. Perhaps you may like to consider why I read the equality act from beginning to end. Why I uphold the principles of it and why I felt that, having secured the desired outcome, the thread should be closed. I don't quote legislation, provide chapter and verse on behavioural theory or expect that I have a fantastic knowledge of how to manage safety because I read it somewhere. It's because I have lived it and learned from my own mistakes and that of others. I'm happy that the original poster got their desired result and I would be no less committed to gaining the same for my son or daughters. I have had many positive responses on this forum but the last few have made me consider whether I wish to continue.
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The Law Society have announced publication of this title with several chapters particularly relevant to FireSafety's concerns
Disability Discrimination Law and Case Management, 1st edition Karen Jackson and Lydia Banerjee
Overview
This new title comprehensively examines the law of disability discrimination post-Equality Act 2010 with an emphasis on practically managing disability in the workplace and an examination of litigation case management.
The book comprises of a thorough overview of the law including up-to-date cases, together with a chapter devoted to mental health disabilities and a case study showing how the law may be applied in practice. Sample documents are provided.
This comprehensive book: •provides a background to the law pre-Equality Act 2010 and the key changes since the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 •outlines the key elements of disability discrimination law including the new section 15 provision, disability arising from a disability, together with a lengthy chapter on the reasonable adjustments duty •addresses other legal aspects of disability including harassment and victimisation, perception and associative discrimination, pre-employment health questions and adjourning proceedings for ill health •addresses ending the employment relationship, reasonable adjustments on termination, capability dismissals, PHI, pay and ill health retirement •contains an overview of the tribunal process around disability discrimination claims including hearing preparations and precedents for use in the process •provides relevant extracts from statute as appendices with online links to guidance and other resources.
Contents
Introduction to disability discrimination law; 1. The definition of disability; 2. Direct, associative and discrimination by perception; 3. Discrimination arising from disability; 4. Reasonable adjustments; 5. Indirect discrimination; 6. Other prohibited conduct: harassment, victimisation and other unlawful acts; 7.Other legal aspects of disability in the workplace; 8. Ending the employment relationship; 9. Mental health disabilities; 10. Case study - Managing disability in the workplace; 11 to 17 Litigation case management with precedent documents. Appendices: extracts from relevant statutes and online links to further resources.
About the Authors
Karen Jackson is a solicitor who is an expert in disability discrimination law and other health-related issues in employment. Her particular focus is on mental health disabilities. Her boutique firm, didlaw, specialises in disability discrimination work and undertakes claimant and respondent work. She has a high profile both in the media and in the provision of training. She is a regular writer and speaker on the subject.
Lydia Banerjee is a commercial and employment specialist practising from Littleton Chambers. She draws on her own experience as both a commercial director and charity trustee to ensure that her advice is practical and sensitive to the issues in the case. Lydia is regularly instructed in relation to issues of disability discrimination.
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Bet I can't afford it ;-(:-(
Bob
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