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ctf01  
#1 Posted : 29 April 2013 14:40:21(UTC)
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ctf01

A friend of mine works in a call centre where there is a mixture of direct employees of the building owner and employees provided by an outsourced provider. Recently air monitoring was carried out by the building owner on ventilation systems in the area of the outsourced workers, and they were told this was for potential contaminants. The outsourced workers have requested to their employee (the outsourcing provider) to see the results of the monitoring done by the building owners but they have been told by their management (outsourced provider) that they do not have any rights to see the results as they are not employees of the owner of the building who were doing the monitoring. I was wondering if under reg 3 of COSHH as visiting employees the employer had an obligation to share the results of the monitoring. Basically, they want to see the results of the monitoring and I wondered what regulations could they utilise to get access to the results? Thanks for your help
Canopener  
#2 Posted : 29 April 2013 20:47:57(UTC)
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Canopener

Such 'secrecy' tends to raise the suspicions of people, often unnecessarily and without delving into the regs/ACOP to try and find the definitive answer, perhaps a way forward would be to ask one of the directly employed employees.
ctf01  
#3 Posted : 29 April 2013 21:47:36(UTC)
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ctf01

Its good advice and I believe they have tried that but there is no real direct contact between the contracted out areas and the directly employed employees, and so have not met with any success on that front. They have also tried speaking directly to their employers but they have been told they have no rights to the monitoring results. I am really just looking for the relevant parts of the regs to answer their specific questions on whether they have a right to see the results. Thanks for the answer though.
Palmer20061  
#4 Posted : 30 April 2013 09:35:23(UTC)
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Palmer20061

Bit of a catch-22 I would imagine – I think the only legally demandable documents are their health records which should include any air monitoring results. But this only ‘kicks in’ if they are ‘exposed to certain substances and processes specified in Schedule 5’. These are held by their employer – not someone they are sub-contracted to. But if they’re not identified as being potentially exposed to these substances they won’t have a health record…… Isn’t there a safety committee/ safety rep or communications forum that could ask to see the results – there must be some discussion (if only at a commercial level) between the parties – can’t the question be asked in that format?
A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 30 April 2013 10:07:24(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

The employer of the outsourcing company has a duty to their employees under Section 2 Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 wherever they might be based (as long it is within the UK). So they have a DUTY to make sure that their employees are safe. The buildings owners (under Section 3 Health and Safety at Work Act 1974) has a duty to inform anybody who might be at risk from their undertaking. So if they carried out some sort of monitoring and have identified any sort of risk then should share that information with everybody using that building including the contracted out employees. You do not carry out monitoring for fun, so their must be some sort of risk that has been identified. Finally, Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations, “11 (c) take all reasonable steps to inform the other employers concerned of the risks to their employees' health and safety arising out of or in connection with the conduct by him of his undertaking.”
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#6 Posted : 30 April 2013 11:15:28(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

A Kurdziel wrote:
You do not carry out monitoring for fun, so their [sic] must be some sort of risk that has been identified.
Well, I've read some nonsense here and this is part of it! How many times is monitoring done to **exclude** a potential risk? The decision to audit or assess or to monitor condition 'x' in no way suggests that a risk has been identified. In those circumstances, monitoring may have failed to identify a problem that had been the cause for some concern but turned out to be more apparent than real, or sufficiently slight to be of no significance and within acceptable limits, ie no risk exists. This may be the case also for routine, pre-emptive monitoring in circumstances where everything was, had been, and is still perfectly hunky dory, ie, the assessment was for "potential contaminants". Don't fight the evidence. And don't make it up either.
ctf01  
#7 Posted : 01 May 2013 07:51:24(UTC)
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ctf01

Thanks for the assistance everyone. More or less what I thought, but always good to ask the wider community. Help much appreciated. Cheers
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