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TD  
#1 Posted : 28 April 2013 16:52:54(UTC)
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TD

Hello. Large type diesel tanks, large circular / tubular type that you see in chemical plants. I have been asked the question is there any rules in how close or how many meters employees can be located? I contacted the local fire safety officer who told me it was not a fire issue and that it was a local environmental officer issue , who then informed me that it is not under his remit and pointed me in the direction of the HSE. They have said that they will come back to me but is there any legislation out there that I could look up myself. I have tried but cannot find an exact or even approximate distance for siting offices next to Diesel Tanks. I am only looking for an approximate and it doesn't have to be precise. There is risk assessments and emergency plan carried out by the owners of the land also large bunding but I would like to find some sort of distance figures if they exist. Thanks for any pointers
Lambley24  
#2 Posted : 28 April 2013 17:11:43(UTC)
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Lambley24

JJ Prendergast  
#3 Posted : 28 April 2013 17:58:28(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

What is the capacity of the tanks? If the contents are diesel/heating oil then the fire risks aren't too bad due to the high ignition temperature, as stated the environmental risks are just as important. Are the tanks bunded? There is some guidance in HSG176, not so sure this will be totally applicable to your situation though
imwaldra  
#4 Posted : 29 April 2013 08:59:46(UTC)
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imwaldra

The issue is perhaps not the tanks themselves, but how any spillage is designed to be contained? They are presumably bunded in some way and, in the event of a large leak, the diesel should be retained within the bunded area - but how would it then be recovered, and how long would that take? I suggest you review the emergency scenarios for the tanks (also under your control, or by another organisation?) to check whether the proposed office location conflicts with any plans or spill consequences, including fumes from a large contained spill entering the new building.
Abigor  
#5 Posted : 29 April 2013 09:28:45(UTC)
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Abigor

Flash point of diesel is 62 degrees Centigrade so there is no fire issue here, more likely to be containment/environmental issue. I cant think of any reason there should be a restriction in location of the offices.
TD  
#6 Posted : 03 May 2013 10:23:50(UTC)
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TD

Thanks to all for the valuable information. TD
Steve e ashton  
#7 Posted : 03 May 2013 12:28:13(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

TD: Do some research around the BP Texas City refinery explosion and fire. 15 people died because the site accommodations were too close to energetic processes - which may be hinted at by your description of the tanks as being of the 'type that you see in chemical plants'..? US practice used to be (and may still be) for specifying minimum distances from plant to occupied rooms - but the distances were woefully underestimated prior to Texas City... It may not be the material in the tanks which are the problem - what is being done with the materials in the tanks? Are the tank in UK? Or US? If in UK - is the site COMAH top tier or lower tier or neither? It may be unwise to jump to any conclusions unless and until more information is available - and then perhaps you could usefully look for specialist support to provide advice. Steve
descarte8  
#8 Posted : 07 May 2013 09:50:05(UTC)
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descarte8

This might be what your after: Model Code of Safe Practice Part 2: Design, construction and operation of petroleum distribution installations This publication replaces the second edition of Part 2, published in 1998. Its purpose is to provide a general guide to safe practice in the layout, design, construction and operation of distribution installations and their equipment. It aims to recommend basic standards and practice in this regard. and Model code of safe practice Part 19: Fire precautions at petroleum refineries and bulk storage installations: Section 2 EI Fire precautions at petroleum refineries and bulk storage installations (EI 19) provides guidance on selecting, implementing and monitoring the continuing performance of installation-specific justified risk reduction measures – from prevention through detection, protection systems to mitigation measures – to reduce the risk from design event fires at installations that process and store crude oil, petroleum, intermediates and refined products: Section 4.8 Reading from the 1992 version (googled) with your flash point being below 66 Deg C, making it a class 2 product, it has specific requirements on distance from depending on your tank size, which you dont give. Des
Steve e ashton  
#9 Posted : 07 May 2013 12:54:44(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

I have to ask again - are the tanks in a site that is covered by the COMAH Regs? You might gain some understanding (and possibly the distances / numbers you are looking for) by reading around the PADHI guidance under HSE Land Use Planning standards - start here: http://www.hse.gov.uk/landuseplanning/index.htm Steve
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