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MEden380  
#1 Posted : 17 May 2013 14:47:42(UTC)
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MEden380

A Bill unveiled in the Queen's Speech to allow self-employed people to be exempt from health and safety regulations. I thought they already were!
johnmurray  
#2 Posted : 17 May 2013 16:41:27(UTC)
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johnmurray

Only some, in low-risk jobs. It doesn't apply to builders obviously. And is still does not exempt them from other laws.
JohnW  
#3 Posted : 22 May 2013 16:14:18(UTC)
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JohnW

And a self-employed person can still be prosecuted under HaSaWA if he is found responsible for injury to a person at work?? Questions for the Queen, If self-employed person uses lifting equipment will it require statutory examination? If he is working near an unprotected roof edge he should have a lanyard and suitable anchor point? If he plans to use chemicals on someone's premises he should conduct a COSHH assessment? etc etc
achrn  
#4 Posted : 22 May 2013 16:20:35(UTC)
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achrn

JohnW wrote:
If self-employed person uses lifting equipment will it require statutory examination? If he is working near an unprotected roof edge he should have a lanyard and suitable anchor point? If he plans to use chemicals on someone's premises he should conduct a COSHH assessment? etc etc
Yes - the new legislation won't apply to any of those situations. There is NO PROPOSAL to exempt all self-employed people from H&S law. Anyone that claims there is is talking rubbish. Since there is no such proposal, why are so many people asking about how the non-existent proposal will be implemented?
walker  
#5 Posted : 22 May 2013 16:21:17(UTC)
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walker

JohnW wrote:
And a self-employed person can still be prosecuted under HaSaWA if he is found responsible for injury to a person at work?? Questions for the Queen, If self-employed person uses lifting equipment will it require statutory examination? If he is working near an unprotected roof edge he should have a lanyard and suitable anchor point? If he plans to use chemicals on someone's premises he should conduct a COSHH assessment? etc etc
as i'm sure you know, people doing stuff like that are not exempt as is quite obvious to anyone reading what actually has happened. Trouble is, myths will develop and lots of self employed folks will find themselves in big trouble.
JohnW  
#6 Posted : 22 May 2013 16:57:02(UTC)
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JohnW

achrn, walker, Yes my 'point' was that I suspect many self-employed, sole-traders etc may read a Daily Telegraph headline about exemption from 'H&S regulations' and forget there is an Act that must be obeyed, and that their tools and materials must be used safely, and they have a respoinsibility for other contractors and any joe public who happens to be within hitting distance of his work :o) The Telegraph headline 08/05/2013 says "Self-employed will be exempt from health and safety rules. People who work for themselves will no longer have to worry about onerous health and safety rules". Then IF one scrolls down to read the smaller print it goes on to say "..self-employed whose work activities pose no potential risk of harm to others”. Yes walker, I agree there is a potential myth that may develop from this.... JohnW
achrn  
#7 Posted : 23 May 2013 09:00:04(UTC)
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achrn

JohnW wrote:
Yes my 'point' was that I suspect many self-employed, sole-traders etc may read a Daily Telegraph headline about exemption from 'H&S regulations' and forget there is an Act that must be obeyed, and that their tools and materials must be used safely, and they have a respoinsibility for other contractors and any joe public who happens to be within hitting distance of his work :o)
And my point is that it is jolly annoying (happy, moderators?) when people who should know better (such as IOSH members) perpetuate the claim that there is a proposal to exempt all self-employed people from H&S law.
MEden380  
#8 Posted : 24 May 2013 12:08:32(UTC)
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MEden380

Dear All I posted the initial comment last FRIDAY - as a Friday thread not as something to be taken as seriously as some have assumed. Most self employed people I know don't adhere to any rules and regulations let alone the HASWA, especially those that involve parting with money (H&S Consultants excepted).
walker  
#9 Posted : 24 May 2013 12:29:28(UTC)
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walker

MEden380 wrote:
I posted the initial comment last FRIDAY - as a Friday thread not as something to be taken as seriously as some have assumed.
I think at least SOME of us got that
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