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Myers18854  
#1 Posted : 23 May 2013 14:16:59(UTC)
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Myers18854

Anyone got any advice about snorkel diving at work - site is a fish farm on land where there is a need to clean the bottom of the tanks a couple of times per week. Depth is 3 to 3.5 metres and the employees wear wet suits, flippers, mask and ballast weight and take a deep breath! Diving Regs specifically apply to using compressed gases but I'm recommending compliance with them in principle where feasible but would welcome any contribution.
HeO2  
#2 Posted : 23 May 2013 14:56:33(UTC)
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HeO2

have a look at the inshore ACop (L104). the ACoP states: SCOPE AND AREAS COVERED BY THE CODE: 5) This code applies to all diving projects conducted in support of civil engineering or marine related projects and FISH FARMING 14) a person "dives" if he enters water or liquid and in order to survive in such an environment he breathes in air or gas at a pressure greater than atmospheric pressure. From an ACoP point of view and the diving at work regs, it would be difficult to enforce as they are not breathing compressed air. However, From a risk assessment point of view, this is a commercial diving project, and should be carried out using the correct team and equipment. Surface supplied diving or SCUBA if your risk assessment would allow it. Ive yet to come across a diving project yet where the RA and law would allow me to use SCUBA, so snorkels are a bit of a joke really Phil
Jake  
#3 Posted : 23 May 2013 15:18:07(UTC)
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Jake

Unless I've read this wrong you're having people dive to 3m-3.5m depth to clean the bottom of the tank, to then pop up again for air? Surely they'll have like 30 seconds max of "cleaning" before having to return to the surface (given the time it takes to dive and resurface)? Unless this is a tiny tank, would the divers not be up and down hundreds of times? I thought you were goign to say a depth of like 1-2m! If the tank is anything other than tiny in size, surly breathing equipment is the sensible solution?
Canopener  
#4 Posted : 23 May 2013 15:23:26(UTC)
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Canopener

Have you considered alternative methods to diving? We use a gadget to clean the bottom of our pools which you lower to the bottom and it just trundles around all night and does it's stuff.
Myers18854  
#5 Posted : 23 May 2013 16:07:58(UTC)
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Myers18854

Thanks Phil, My sentiments entirely except there is nothing I can find to say it cannot be done but the minute compressed air comes into the equation the full weight of the Regs and ACOP apply. I take your point about snorkeling being a joke against the backdrop of the Regs but the reality is, it is taking place. Further research I think but thanks for your response.
HeO2  
#6 Posted : 23 May 2013 16:08:13(UTC)
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HeO2

Even given the relatively shallow depths, you can still produce a lung over expansion injury, and if they hyper-vent before diving also at risk of shallow water blackout. Its just a massive no no without the correct kit, it would be much more efficient too not having to resurface every 30 seconds. Even in commercial SCUBA we can monitor the divers breathing, and have him tendered on a life line. But unless you have completely benign conditions, with no risk of entanglement or differential pressure, with gin clear visibility, even SCUBA isn't an option. Commercial diving for the unlikely event of being allowed to used SCUBA is a minimum team size of 3. Using surface supplied techniques using tools, 4,5 and above. So if this is just 2 guys in wetsuits, using snorkels, it is wrong on many levels. If you need a hand with the RA, just DM me. Id rather that than read about it in the paper or next ADC safety meeting Phil
Myers18854  
#7 Posted : 23 May 2013 16:16:11(UTC)
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Myers18854

Hi Canopener, I like your thinking - are you at liberty to pass on details of the gadget? It is something being considered currently.
Canopener  
#8 Posted : 23 May 2013 17:07:14(UTC)
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Canopener

Unfortunately I am way from the workplace for a while so won't be able to find out name of kit for a while. I think that they are relatively widely used for pools though. Try searching for "robotic pool cleaners" and see what you think. It might take some maybe not all of the diving requirement away. Good luck.
Myers18854  
#9 Posted : 23 May 2013 17:40:07(UTC)
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Myers18854

canopener wrote:
Unfortunately I am way from the workplace for a while so won't be able to find out name of kit for a while. I think that they are relatively widely used for pools though. Try searching for "robotic pool cleaners" and see what you think. It might take some maybe not all of the diving requirement away. Good luck.
Many thanks - I'll have a look for one as you suggest. Russell
stevedm  
#10 Posted : 24 May 2013 08:16:59(UTC)
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stevedm

Just to support what Phil says the regs are quite clear on this and from a medical response...the part I would also include is the response time which will give you the rationale for what systems to put in place short term before reducing the risk permanently with the robotic pool cleaner if that is appropriate...
Graham Bullough  
#11 Posted : 24 May 2013 09:42:33(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Myers Though I know very little about fish farms on land your interesting thread has got me thinking: Would it be feasible to temporarily lower the level of the water in each tank before cleaning starts so as to eliminate the need for diving and avoid its various safety implications? Also, just how are the bases of the tanks cleaned? If it involves some sort of suction device, would it be feasible to obtain one with an extended probe which can be operated from above the water level, irrespective of whether the level can be temporarily lowered or not?
Myers18854  
#12 Posted : 24 May 2013 10:10:42(UTC)
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Myers18854

Graham Bullough wrote:
Myers Though I know very little about fish farms on land your interesting thread has got me thinking: Would it be feasible to temporarily lower the level of the water in each tank before cleaning starts so as to eliminate the need for diving and avoid its various safety implications? Also, just how are the bases of the tanks cleaned? If it involves some sort of suction device, would it be feasible to obtain one with an extended probe which can be operated from above the water level, irrespective of whether the level can be temporarily lowered or not?
A simple siphon tube 75mm in diameter is used to suck accummulations from dead spots in the tanks. The problem is positioning the end efficiently which is not easy to see mainly because of the number of fish hence the diving activity. It is something to consider though as we have been talking about using a camera which may be the way forward. The water level is controllable but tends to concentrate the fish and obscure visibility even further but thanks for the comments.
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