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I did hear this on the radio and was a little confused (and if it is as reported). Why would the police comment upon something that isnt a criminal act, are they now dishing-out free advice on civil liability?
Are the 'rozzers' overstepping the mark or am I missing something?
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The real issue as I recall is that the numbers attending were getting out of control. A venue suitable for 5000 had 15000 turning up. I suggest that's to do with public safety and public protection which is a Police matter, and something they can justifiably take up with the various event organisers.
How things are portrayed and worded in the media is, as usual, another matter entirely.
Spring? I had to put the central heating back on last night!
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ron hunter wrote:
Spring? I had to put the central heating back on last night!
I thought you'd just throw another wippet on t' fire, Ron
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That's a pretty mad event; do you think the lawyers will be able to keep up. If not then it'll be a case of hard cheese.
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Returning to my thread:
From the article it seems that the police were advising that the cheesemaker would be personally held liable for any accidents at the cheese rolling event( the numbers involved might be an issue but I assume that the event is taking place on private property with the permission of the land owner). This seems to be both an extension of the role of the police into the realms of civil liability and of the law of negligence; snails in bottles of ginger beer I understand but cheese on a hillside?
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It's worth noting that actually the police have advised all those who have been involved in planning an event which features mass participation by members of the public in a somewhat hazardous activity that they may be held to be organisers of the event.
Is that so wrong?
Should organisers of mass public events be exempted from H&S liability if they also happen to be cheesemakers?
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Perhaps the owner of the cheese needs to get it MOT'ed, taxed &insured first. Although the event is on a private site it arrives by road and needs to be legal!!!
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I am not sure how supplier of cheese can be held liable for an event which they are not organising, hence my comments on liability in relation to snails and ginger beer.
Furthermore the police should not be giving advice on civil liabilities, that is for the organisers to get from their lawyers and insurers.
A lot of the 'elf n' safety ' stories are driven by confusion between civil and criminal liability and comments from the police( and others) like this do not help.
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A Kurdziel wrote:A Friday thread hurray-
• Why are the HSE mythbusters panel not swinging into action?
It is that time of year when these stories abound! The Myth Busters have looked at a similar event with the views posted recently:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/my...74-custard-pie-fight.htm
In essence the police do have a duty when public safety is at risk (crowd control, road safety etc). Safety laws do not apply in respect of people volutarily undertaking custard pie fights or rolling cheeses or whatever.
Similarly, insurance is always available for public liability, but not the specifics of the custard or cheese elements!
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I don't think the cheesemakers have anything to worry about;
"Blessed are the cheesemakers. For they shall have God on their side!"
Of course you shouldn't take this too literally. It applies to the manufacturers of all dairy products. ;-)
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IOSH needs to have senior people able to willing to step forward at a moments notice to squash news report like this as they happen. IOSH needs to telephone to get on the programme(s).
I am listening to the show on BBC 2 now and guess what, Health and Safety has already been blamed twice so far - with no come back by any official body.
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Apologies for grammar, but this website won't allow corrections after posting, which I find extremely frustrating.
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Yeah I stuck on the central heating too, it's chilly. Mind you, the cheeses will like it.
That radio phone in was annoying that nobody mentioned the fact of Personal Liability Insurance and site insurance, plus the needs for public events. So daft members of public will continue to blame H&S.
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Safety Smurf wrote:I don't think the cheesemakers have anything to worry about;
"Blessed are the cheesemakers. For they shall have God on their side!"
Of course you shouldn't take this too literally. It applies to the manufacturers of all dairy products. ;-)
Stop this hewetical tawlk at wonce or I will ask the modewators to stwike you vewy woughly!
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A Kurdziel wrote:I am not sure how supplier of cheese can be held liable for an event which they are not organising, hence my comments on liability in relation to snails and ginger beer.
The point is that the cheesemaker IS organising it. The police have warned the organisers, one of whom happens also to be the cheesemaker.
The journalists think it makes a better story to report that the police have warned the cheesemaker. Buried in the article it actually admits they've warned all the organisers.
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Safety Smurf wrote:I don't think the cheesemakers have anything to worry about;
"Blessed are the cheesemakers. For they shall have God on their side!"
Of course you shouldn't take this too literally. It applies to the manufacturers of all dairy products. ;-)
Umm? At about a quarter past eleven sir.
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Reduce the risk.............................roll cheese triangles.
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garryw1509 wrote:Reduce the risk.............................roll cheese triangles.
Blimey - they might have sharp edges.......
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David Haig in a former life played a Policeman now the famous Mr Wright. Humm any connection?
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Never mind the safety and public order aspects, doesn't cheese rolling constitute a blatant misuse of cheese? If the cheese involved is reasonably edible, surely it should be eaten and savoured for its taste and texture instead of being rolled and chased down a slope in an undignified manner. Furthermore, isn't there a need for the UK Parliament to consider and urgently enact legislation to prohibit such abuse of cheese? Also such legislation could be extended to cover other daft British activities such as dwile flonking which involves contestants hurling beer-soaked rags at their opponents. Beer is brewed for drinking, quaffing, or whatever word you prefer for such consumption and certainly not for throwing around! :-)
Also, for anyone bemused by earlier references to "Blessed are the cheesemakers", it's a quotation from the 1979 Monty Python film "Life of Brian" which included other memorable lines such as "Welease... Woger!" and "Welease Wodewick!" Furthermore, mention of "Life of Brian" prompts the hope that arrangements for the filming of "Life of Merv" featuring the experiences of forum contributor Merv are going well ! :-)
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Graham...he is not the messiah....hes a naughty naughty boy :-)
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The police should keep their resource to policing the streets and targeting localised crime.
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This subject is really grating on my nerves. Who ever thought it up needs to be grilled to get at the truth.
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Is our counrtyand in melt-down and rolling into decline? Find all this and more on your local IOSH forum before it goes down-hill.
Pass the pills please!
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As long as they don't try and roll the wedge shaped pieces you get, could take someone's eye out (almost as dangerous as flap jacks).
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How can we hold the cheese-maker responsible, does this mean if I get injured playing football, I can sue the ball manufacturer???
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And to add insult to injury (oops) the BBC website reports that it wasn't even real cheese but a foam replica! Someone could have choked on that; Holger Neilson anyone?
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I wonder if the local plods checked to see if the cheese foam complied with the Furniture and Furnishings(Fire) (Safety) Regulations: very remiss if they didn't.
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They used a replica after the fuzz had leaned on the 86 year old cheesemaker who had been supplying cheeses for this event, for a long while.
Pity someone doesn't explain to the fuzz they are there to police criminal (& not Civil) law
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The police are well out of order on this.
'Event organiser' is a definition from HSE guidance on the application of health & safety AT WORK legislation. I can see no indication there is anyone being employed here. It is a private activity, from a group of individuals.
Quite different to the Man United street parade, where the club was the organiser, being an employer and it being part of their undertaking. And there were some interesting situations arising from that . .
Unless there is a fatal or potential fatal, or some sort of public disorder, this is not a police matter.
Giving dubious and very public advice about civil liability is outside the scope of the police. There may be potential civil liability for negligence against an individual IF there is an injury, but civil law is about the after-event. Still not a police matter.
Selling cheese a negligent act? Tosh. I like the football comparison from ThomsonP.
The HSE mythbusters panel will only respond to a specific complaint as I understand their remit.
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ThompsonP wrote:How can we hold the cheese-maker responsible, does this mean if I get injured playing football, I can sue the ball manufacturer???
No but you can make a claim against the local FA through thier insurance or your clubs own. If your in a local park and the council are some way to blame you could look to get compensation.
What's with the plod, the fuzz etc. Nice to know where all professionals or is that school kids.
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I could name a few other 'big cheeses' they could've rolled down that hill! T'would also be entertaining watching the Police chasing said 'big cheeses' down the hill en-masse (truncheon in hand) ;)
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