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kojo  
#1 Posted : 24 May 2013 14:33:57(UTC)
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kojo

Dear all,

I have received my final confirmation of my CMIOSH status and I am wondering if it makes any difference when looking for new job and what it means in my current role in terms of pay and position.

I am looking at moving up the ladder and want to know if there more to CMIOSH and MSc.

Regards
robertagyeman  
#2 Posted : 24 May 2013 14:39:34(UTC)
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robertagyeman

I think you could be getting more money if the employer knows what's is looking for.

regards,
MEden380  
#3 Posted : 24 May 2013 15:17:30(UTC)
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MEden380

Kojo
Depends on how good you are at doing your job
Work Experience counts for a lot - just look in the careers section on the experiences of others in our industry, how they have found difficulties in obtaining a position with qualifications, but without work place experience.
jarsmith83  
#4 Posted : 24 May 2013 15:46:24(UTC)
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jarsmith83

Will open up a wealth of job opportunities to you. Look at many of the job specs, CMIOSH is the main request i.e. we require CMIOSH + relevant experience/understanding + qualification in XYZ. You will also have the chance of earning more money. Doubled my salary within 2 years of gaining the qualification to give you an indicator. Lastly, people you advise are more likely to take on board your advice when they understand your status i.e. business cards/email signature/document signatures etc..... Put your CV out to employment agencies and you will get contacted constantly with job opportunities.

Good luck! Don't stop there, look into audit qualifications or a specialism to increase opportunistic and earning potential.
jarsmith83  
#5 Posted : 24 May 2013 15:48:10(UTC)
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jarsmith83

MEden380 wrote:
Kojo
Depends on how good you are at doing your job
Work Experience counts for a lot - just look in the careers section on the experiences of others in our industry, how they have found difficulties in obtaining a position with qualifications, but without work place experience.


Surely the CMIOSH status would indicate 3 years + experience otherwise Tech IOSH would not have been given 2 years + experience.
Jake  
#6 Posted : 28 May 2013 10:26:10(UTC)
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Jake

jarsmith83 wrote:
MEden380 wrote:
Kojo
Depends on how good you are at doing your job
Work Experience counts for a lot - just look in the careers section on the experiences of others in our industry, how they have found difficulties in obtaining a position with qualifications, but without work place experience.


Surely the CMIOSH status would indicate 3 years + experience otherwise Tech IOSH would not have been given 2 years + experience.


You don't need to be TechIOSH before moving to CMIOSH :-)

1 years experience + Qualifying degree + IPD (over 6 - 8 months) + Interview = CMIOSH with less than 2 years experience in role

Gaining CMIOSH is not about how long you've practiced HSSE, it's about your competence to do so.
Wilcock28253  
#7 Posted : 28 May 2013 14:59:45(UTC)
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Wilcock28253

When did CMIOSH become a qualification? Refering to jarsmith comment of:

'Doubled my salary within 2 years of gaining the qualification to give you an indicator.'
SP900308  
#8 Posted : 28 May 2013 15:24:16(UTC)
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SP900308

Kojo, it really depends where you're starting from!
I'd imagine the higher wages often demand a good deal of industry (practical) experience. Therefore, someone from within the industry (technical) with a minor H&S qualification could command higher wages than someone from outside the industry (or new to) with a higher H&S qualification....if that makes sense?

I'm currently TechIOSH but with 12 years experience. I am aiming for CMIOSH but I don't anticipate much of a pay rise if/when I achieve!
Mark1969  
#9 Posted : 28 May 2013 17:29:27(UTC)
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Mark1969

I still see job descriptions asking for C IOSH, M IOSH etc, but in my experience of the job market merry-go-round CMIOSH does stand you in good stead, as for salary, aim high.

jarsmith is correct if you have an opportunity to add an element of specialisation this will also help.
allanwood  
#10 Posted : 29 May 2013 08:33:36(UTC)
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allanwood

In the current climate and depending on your experience and industry i would say 40 k plus.
kojo  
#11 Posted : 29 May 2013 16:22:01(UTC)
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kojo

Hi all,

Thanks for your replies.

Currently, I am in the Food & Drink industry which I do not think it pays well. I need to specialise in a field that will pay well.

What field do you think I need to consider, I did my first degree in Engineering.

Regards
SP900308  
#12 Posted : 30 May 2013 07:46:06(UTC)
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SP900308

Kojo,
With all due respect, what exactly are you looking for?

If you're after really good money and soon, I'd suggest changing career - maybe Finance!

I find it strange that you'd seek advice on this forum as to what WE think YOU should specialise in? That's a choice for you to make!

Consider them all, but also consider what your abilities / limitations are, what you know and know little about and if you're chasing money, a rewarding career choice or a specific discipline.

I'm in Construction and Consultancy. I can assure you I could not easily dip into Healthcare, Oil and Gas, Chemical Processing, Aviation, Ports, Manufacturing etc..... not at a 'competent' level anyway!

All the best
Simon
Terry556  
#13 Posted : 30 May 2013 08:29:57(UTC)
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Terry556

I have only just completed my CMIOSH,and waiting for the IOSH committee to sit in June, I am being made redundant tomorrow, all the jobs I have applied for are asking for CMIOSH, I was earning 25K as a H & S manager, which I have enjoyed doing over the past 10 years. If you are looking to earn big money then go abroad, UAE, etc
walker  
#14 Posted : 30 May 2013 08:38:50(UTC)
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walker

kojo wrote:
Hi all,

Thanks for your replies.

Currently, I am in the Food & Drink industry which I do not think it pays well. I need to specialise in a field that will pay well.

What field do you think I need to consider, I did my first degree in Engineering.

Regards



With a combination of H&S and engineering you should be minting it!
As you say food & drink is no good
My perception of East Anglia regards jobs is not good

You maybe need to think relocation plus

Oil & Gas
Nuclear
aerospace
Wind
Rail

Are industries that need your skills






SP900308  
#15 Posted : 30 May 2013 09:19:51(UTC)
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SP900308

Walker, with all due respect, Engineering is a pretty wide subject! I'd also be amazed if you could get an easy opening into any of the sectors you listed, even with an 'Engineering' Degree (Civil, Structural, Mechanical, Electrical, Aeronautical???):

Rail - pretty difficult without extensive rail experience and understanding of the sector;
Nuclear - same;
Aerospace - same;
Oil and Gas - same.

That's my view.
walker  
#16 Posted : 30 May 2013 10:36:43(UTC)
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walker

The OP was asking what he ought to be specialising in - I gave ideas
I had assumed no one thought they could walk straight in to a top job on those fields

His degree is "engineering" as opposed to something soft like meja studies or history of art.
It would be highly considered as good basic education. If it was a relevant engineering subject so much the better.

The fields I list are not closed shops, but you need to start at a junior role & gain experience
SP900308  
#17 Posted : 30 May 2013 11:05:37(UTC)
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SP900308

Walker, fair enough but I thought he was looking to move up the ladder (as highlighted in his opening thread), as opposed to down it ;)

Agreed, an Engineering Degree will stand you in good stead but certain industries are very prescriptive as to what qualifications they are looking for and experience is usually fundemental.

jarsmith83  
#18 Posted : 30 May 2013 12:28:10(UTC)
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jarsmith83

Jake wrote:
jarsmith83 wrote:
MEden380 wrote:
Kojo
Depends on how good you are at doing your job
Work Experience counts for a lot - just look in the careers section on the experiences of others in our industry, how they have found difficulties in obtaining a position with qualifications, but without work place experience.


Surely the CMIOSH status would indicate 3 years + experience otherwise Tech IOSH would not have been given 2 years + experience.


You don't need to be TechIOSH before moving to CMIOSH :-)

1 years experience + Qualifying degree + IPD (over 6 - 8 months) + Interview = CMIOSH with less than 2 years experience in role

Gaining CMIOSH is not about how long you've practiced HSSE, it's about your competence to do so.



Fair comment however my original point is that CMIOSH is demonstrating a 'roundness' of competence.
jarsmith83  
#19 Posted : 30 May 2013 12:29:20(UTC)
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jarsmith83

Wilcock28253 wrote:
When did CMIOSH become a qualification? Refering to jarsmith comment of:

'Doubled my salary within 2 years of gaining the qualification to give you an indicator.'


I am sure we all understood my meaning
jarsmith83  
#20 Posted : 30 May 2013 12:40:41(UTC)
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jarsmith83

As advice I would recommend you seek employment with a large consultancy which spans across many sectors. That way you can taste different industries and make your own mind up.

With regards to your original question, I think it has basically been covered, CMIOSH WILL open up more opportunities. There will always be replies stating "I am XYZ qualification and experience and still earn as much as CMIOSH", its inevitable.

Best advice in this thread has been "aim high". You can be as qualified or have CMIOSH but its not going to open opportunities for you, only you can do this.
kojo  
#21 Posted : 30 May 2013 16:42:54(UTC)
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kojo

Dear all,

Thanks for your comments.

I will like to go into Rail or Oil & Gas but I believe entering the these sectors will be difficult.

Regards
JJ Prendergast  
#22 Posted : 30 May 2013 17:06:29(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

Are you prepared to move to Aberdeen - where most of the UK oil jobs are.

Or overseas / Middle East?
DP  
#23 Posted : 31 May 2013 07:50:36(UTC)
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DP

The fact is you need it to be recruited into a decent level position - what reaps the dividends is experience and proven track record.

As my old boss used to say……………………...

Are you RSP - no - then get out there and attain it?

Are you RSP - yes - so what?

I'm currently recruiting for my current position ( Mods not a plug applications have closed and we are at interview stage).

Part of the selection is CMIOSH but thats it as far as I'm concerend - at interview it about what you have done and can do for………….
kojo  
#24 Posted : 31 May 2013 09:37:00(UTC)
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kojo

JJ Prendergast wrote:
Are you prepared to move to Aberdeen - where most of the UK oil jobs are.

Or overseas / Middle East?


Hi JJ,

I am willing to relocate if the position is right for me.

At this stage of my carer I am looking for my dream job but not soley motivated by big money.

Regards
harpa  
#25 Posted : 13 June 2013 11:25:15(UTC)
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harpa

£35,000 as a minimum and upwards of that depending on experience and obviously location in the country i.e. 35k in Hull is a good salary vs. 35k in London which is barely enough to buy your train fares for the year!

If you are on less then £35,000 as a Chartered member then I'd be looking for a pay rise if you are happy working in that organisation or a move to another if not.

Terry556  
#26 Posted : 13 June 2013 12:22:55(UTC)
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Terry556

I have only just passed my CMIOSH, got confirmation by E Mail last night with the LOGOS I can use, I have been looking for work for about 4 weeks now, still no joy, I have put CMIOSH on my C.V. Now to see if it makes a difference, I am willing to work away and come home weekends
jarsmith83  
#27 Posted : 13 June 2013 13:00:42(UTC)
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jarsmith83

terry556 wrote:
I have only just passed my CMIOSH, got confirmation by E Mail last night with the LOGOS I can use, I have been looking for work for about 4 weeks now, still no joy, I have put CMIOSH on my C.V. Now to see if it makes a difference, I am willing to work away and come home weekends



Hi Terry

The job market may open up for you with the CMIOSH but, as advice, I would say you now need to freshen up your whole CV. Recruiters often flick through can CVs and it could be the case that they have viewed your CV before and may not notice the addition of the CMIOSH logo.


CMIOSH membership on its own may not "open the job market", your experiences in addition with this membership will. Make sure your CV makes you shine.

Good luck!
BJC  
#28 Posted : 13 June 2013 14:29:06(UTC)
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Guest

Unfortunately HS personnel are generally thought of as Change Janglers so it probably doesnt make much difference. I frequently come across HS Managers whom unblock the lavatories as part of their duties.
JJ Prendergast  
#29 Posted : 13 June 2013 15:40:04(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

Depends what industry you are in to some extent.

Do you have any additional qualifications in sciences/engineering?

O&G industry for exmple, a minimum would be in the £50-60k bracket for a staff job. More if based in Aberdeen.

More if freelance/contract
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