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We are setting out a new build on our premises and I have been asked if we could have a spiral staircase for a fire exit?
Space saving being our aim as well as providing a safe route out of the building. The bottom of the stairs would lead straight to the external fire doors and with everything being equal will only have a maximum of 40 employees to pass through this exit in the event of an emergency. Has anyone else used spiral fire exits and what issues has anyone encountered.
Thank you
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Why not go all the way and fit a Pole? :-) Or abseil ?
I don't think it would be a good idea and I bet you think the same way having thought about it. Up to 40 people trying NOT to run from a fie and legging it down a spiral staircase? God help the infirm as no one else could. IMHO as ever.
Rob
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Loving Zimmy's answer ;-)
Speak to your local fire safety officer at your local Fire Brigade. They will be able to give you expert advice.
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Also consider disability issues as new build should be such that disability is accounted for
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Have a look at Fire Safety: Fire Risk Assessment Offices and Shops
'Spiral and helical stairways are usually acceptable only in exceptional situations, e.g. for a maximum of 50 people who are not
members of the public'
It goes on about size etc and gives a bit more detail
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Depends on the overall diameter. Last office block I worked in (former IBM building) had enclosed spiral stairwells on the outside of the main office block at the mid sction on each side. Each end of the block had normal stairwells internally which were the normal access/ egress routes, but doubled as fire protected emergency escape routes. check out BS: 5395-2 for guidance.
As long as it is properly constructed, I can't see a problem - as long as mobility impaired persons are taken into consideration via an alternative escape route, but that is probably another topic.
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Spiral and helical stairways
Spiral and helical stairways are usually
acceptable only in exceptional situations, e.g.
for a maximum of 50 people who are not
members of the public. The stairway should
not be more than 9m in total height and not
less than 1.5m in diameter with adequate
headroom. A handrail should be continuous
throughout the full length of the stairway.
However, spiral and helical stairways may be
used as means of escape by more than 50 staff
and may be used by the public if the stairways
have been designed for the purpose. Further
guidance is given in BS: 5395-2.26 However,
they are not usually suitable for young children.
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Thanks for your support guys....... :)
I’m not sold on the idea I can tell you, however supporting our operation is key and as long as I have considered the proposal I am happy with my initial 'OMG what are you thinking' reaction.
I have read the specifications/guidance and should our operations decide that this is the route (hahaha) they want to take I have this info ready to share. We don’t have children or public on site and where these stairs would be situated we don’t allow visitors.
Thank you for the great suggestion of the Fire Officer I have pencilled in a chat with him next week.
Jo
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We got spiral stair cases which are used only for emergency evacuation. Have had several visits from the local fire authority and they don't even get a mention as long as they are clear and there is adequate emergency lighting. Don't really see a problem.
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OP, you will always get the standard "I can't believe you're even thinking of doing that, think of the children" etc. etc. responses here. I'm a little disappointed you've kind of stepped into that mantra too!
Reality is that no-one knows your situation, who would be using the staircase, where it's located, the ability of your workforce etc. and other posters on this thread have given links that show that in your circumstance a spiral staircase is perfectly acceptable (whether it is recommended is a separate argument).
Why not go back to them and say that in fact the guidance suggests this is OK so go ahead with this space saving measure?
In my experience Fire Officers are disproportionately biased towards safety, even where there is no strict legal requirement relevant to their requests / opinion, so you may find the fire officer shares the same view as some on this thread (but they're must be some good ones around). Alternately why not contact a decent fire risk consult? These should provide an unbiased view on legal standings :-)
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I have to say that the only concern I would have is the massive difference in the depth of each step as the inner circle will be markedly different and I have often misplaced my footing on these (thankfully not resulting in a superhero impression)
Also the main question would be how tall would the staircase be as making a long exit on these can disorientate!
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