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jarsmith83  
#1 Posted : 06 June 2013 23:09:59(UTC)
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jarsmith83

I have been notified that the MEWP involved in this tragic accident was a Genie Z135 and the boom detached. The MEWP was a brand new machine. Wonder if there will be a press release from Genie or the HSE on this?
chas  
#2 Posted : 07 June 2013 08:41:29(UTC)
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chas

Looking at the BBC footage (see link) it appears the MEWP tipped over. It does not look as if the boom detached. I think it is far too early for a press release from the HSE. http://www.bbc.co.uk/new...eds-bucks-herts-22779523
Animax01  
#3 Posted : 07 June 2013 09:54:27(UTC)
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Animax01

I totally missed this, it is quite a horrific sight, you really must feel for their family's at this point. Who said H&S isn't important.
ctd167  
#4 Posted : 07 June 2013 10:17:27(UTC)
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ctd167

Nobody ever said H&S wasnt important, but sometimes we feel impotent tho.
jarsmith83  
#5 Posted : 07 June 2013 10:17:48(UTC)
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jarsmith83

I was copied into an email that seems to have come directly from Skanska (and now been released to other companies) stating "early indication as a boom collapse".
hilary  
#6 Posted : 07 June 2013 10:19:44(UTC)
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hilary

At a wild guess and based on the photographs, I would say that the cherry picker was extended too high for the machine in standard format. Based on my experience which is not, I admit, very wide for this discipline, I should have expected to see outriggers and additional weights to give ballast and counteract the reach issue. These are not apparent in the photograph, even zooming in. However, it is a tragic accident and our thoughts should be with the family.
hserc  
#7 Posted : 07 June 2013 14:07:31(UTC)
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hserc

I drove past this on the opposite carriageway and witnessed the aftermath and after trying to impose my normal "no rubbernecking" rule, failed miserably and then promptly wished I had not. What seems missing from early reports thus far, is that the location is actually a MEWP hire firm with a yard full of various machinery for working at height. On any given day, this company regularly advertises their location by having a fairly large selection of booms almost fully elevated, in what must be for the company involved, a fairly effective way of advertising their presence to passers by on the M25. So my guess is that no actual "work" was being carried out, other than maybe demonstrating capabilities. Clearly it is too early to comment of speculate further on this very sad event.
Jake  
#8 Posted : 07 June 2013 16:03:05(UTC)
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Jake

hserc wrote:
I drove past this on the opposite carriageway and witnessed the aftermath and after trying to impose my normal "no rubbernecking" rule, failed miserably and then promptly wished I had not. What seems missing from early reports thus far, is that the location is actually a MEWP hire firm with a yard full of various machinery for working at height. On any given day, this company regularly advertises their location by having a fairly large selection of booms almost fully elevated, in what must be for the company involved, a fairly effective way of advertising their presence to passers by on the M25. So my guess is that no actual "work" was being carried out, other than maybe demonstrating capabilities. Clearly it is too early to comment of speculate further on this very sad event.
I was surpised too, it seems an obvious deduction to make! I have driven past that site hundreds of times in the last few years and almost without fail everytime I've driven past all the MEWPs have the booms fully extended. I'd say any M25 north regular would know exactly what you were referring to if you mentioned the MEWPs - it's a landmark! I too would very surprised if this was due to an actual task being carried out (can't think what they'd be working on) much more like a demonstration for a customer (which would also support a theory about excessive boom extension for the working area / without outriggers "how high can it go" etc.). Very sad day for the familly and relatives affected. Let the HSE do their investigations.
Betta Spenden  
#9 Posted : 07 June 2013 19:19:44(UTC)
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Betta Spenden

jarsmith83 wrote:
I was copied into an email that seems to have come directly from Skanska (and now been released to other companies) stating "early indication as a boom collapse".
Best thing to do then is delete the e-mail. Let the experts do their job and determine the cause and not some "know it all bloke down the pub" who has looked at one photo taken about 800 yards away and has already hung-drawn-quartered someone. Threads like this do nothing to help the breaved family or those involved in the FORMAL investigations. RIP fella.
paul.skyrme  
#10 Posted : 07 June 2013 19:38:54(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

We should be very careful here as H&S "professionals". The MEWP, model is not fitted with outriggers, as it is sufficiently stable without, I have driven comparable models to full extension without issue. As per Bretta above, out condolences should be with the bereaved. We should be careful of our comments. If it were a boom failure, then the science says it would probably,not topple the machine, which from the pictures appears the case. However, we must let due process occur.
jarsmith83  
#11 Posted : 07 June 2013 23:42:00(UTC)
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jarsmith83

Betta Spenden wrote:
jarsmith83 wrote:
I was copied into an email that seems to have come directly from Skanska (and now been released to other companies) stating "early indication as a boom collapse".
Best thing to do then is delete the e-mail. Let the experts do their job and determine the cause and not some "know it all bloke down the pub" who has looked at one photo taken about 800 yards away and has already hung-drawn-quartered someone. Threads like this do nothing to help the breaved family or those involved in the FORMAL investigations. RIP fella.
Firstly, I would never use hearsay from "someone down the pub" as the basis of my post (or any other posts I provide). Nor would I use this information as needless gossip. I am fully aware that the family of the individual will be distraught, it would be unnatural not to empathize. However, this information came directly from an email trail that began from someone closely involved in the incident. Secondly, our role as safety professionals is to protect and prevent harm. Surely the sensible measure would be to share this useful information to hopefully enable others to take precautionary measures until it becomes clear as to what the underlying cause is/was. Dare I surmise, this was the intention of the email trail I received. The forum should be used to share knowledge and I would hope that my fellow safety professionals would appreciate the sentiment and understand humility and reasoning for the original post.
Betta Spenden  
#12 Posted : 08 June 2013 09:37:28(UTC)
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Betta Spenden

Sadly I disagree. Speaking from experience having been involved in a minor role during a death investigation twice. My experience is that your post does not help. You may have the right (in your own mind) intention. But you have no control over e-mails once the send button is hit. You are now part of the gossip chain, like it or not. If you were on my team it would be interview without coffee time.
jarsmith83  
#13 Posted : 08 June 2013 12:54:30(UTC)
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jarsmith83

Lucky I am not part of your team then :-) Your opinion is obviously very different to mine but it will make no difference to my thought on this. I do hope that the information is not ignored and we do not see another incident like this. I, like others, will await the outcome of the formal investigation and will then take a more informative decision then. Until that time I would rather tread with caution. I wish you all the best.
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