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If you could insist on anything to do with safety/health what would it be?
I don't mean lovely woolly sentiments like 'stop all deaths'. I mean specific requirements such as all directors must personally sign a document if they agree to deviations from the risk assessment or the managers must carry out a documented inspection every week, a log of all legal breaches must be kept by the organisation (just thinking off the top of my head don't shoot me down there).
I'm just trying to put a document together, a wish list I suppose of what would make a difference to H&S of organisations if they were law.
Thanks, hate to sound like a manager but think outside the box!
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Ban in-house (i.e. staff) health and safety professionals from undertaking / completeing risk assessments :-)
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Since it as wish list:
Get rid of al H&S laws & get all employees up to director level doing the safe thng for the moral & economic reasons
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Directors, Managers and Supervisors to suffer the same fate as any injured employee, when they are found to be negligent in their duties.
On the other hand even the "best employee" at whatever task is not favored when breaking H&S rules.
Lastly to ensure that irritating noise is kept to a minimum I don't think the world should be taught to sing. Especially the guy I can hear in the workshop at this moment.
Just my personal opinion
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I'd ensure that the prime minister of the day spent a week each year visiting the families of people who had died at work and seeing for themselves the massive costs incurred.
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Insist that all Supervisors, managers and directors complete Iosh's managing safely or something to the equivalent as an absolute minimum.
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Jake wrote:Ban in-house (i.e. staff) health and safety professionals from undertaking / completeing risk assessments :-)
Jake - even if they are more experienced and qualified than consultants?
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IanDakin wrote:Jake wrote:Ban in-house (i.e. staff) health and safety professionals from undertaking / completeing risk assessments :-)
Jake - even if they are more experienced and qualified than consultants?
I was coming at it from a different angle (and to be fair for a concise response I generalised -the exemption would be for non-routine or specialist risks where the competent in-house bod or a consultant would undertake the RA).
The principle being that OHS professionals are there to develop a system and coach individuals to be self sufficient, to enable the line managers to own OHS and for operational bods to do the risk assessing. Clearly for non-routine and very specialist tasks a health and safety professional may do the risk assessing, but for "business-as-usual" where it works properly the OHS bod(s) should review risk assessments, review systems, coach people etc. to improve the system. This is added value rather than just do a risk assessment for the company.
I wasn't suggesting requiring consultants do the risk assessing!
The above is clearly a utopian vision as invariable there is a mix of both line management risk assessing and the OHS professionals doing so, but the idea of this thread is not real life!
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Appropriate use of apostrophes.
;-)
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ron hunter wrote:Appropriate use of apostrophes.
;-)
I can just about live with those.
Something that does make me want to resort to violence is misuse of Reflexive and Intensive Pronouns (eg yourself, myself)
You are not being extra polite, you are showing your illiteracy and I have an uncontrollable urge to punch you on the nose
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Stop postings on the IOSH page that are irrelevant!
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Well said Jake.
My dream? Scrap (most) regulations, and go back to HASAWA first principles, making the decisions necessary and relevant to your business and level of risk.
Enforcement focus on the senior management, and make company fines really hurt.
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Make H&S 'Advisers' legally, wholly and absolutely responsible for their advice.
No hiding behind the lame 'only an adviser' excuse.
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Don't quite get this Ian.
Are you making a point about SPs to be held to account for quality of advice? Which I would have thought most (and IOSH) would consider already to be the case.
Or are you saying make SPs responsible for safety ie. Implementation?
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1) Make the HSE give a direct answer to a question.
2) Make legislation more definitive and not open to individual interpretation.
3) Make employees more responsible for their own actions!
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1. Get rid of some of the ridiculous "tick box" accreditation schemes which impose wholly unrealistic expectations on small business and add nothing whatsoever to their actual H&S performance.
2. Ban all "generic" safety manuals peddled by consultants (and yes I am a consultant..)
3. Administer a sound slap to anyone who says that health and safety is "just common sense".
4. Administer another sound slap to anyone who quotes "health and safety" as though it were some mysterious entity responsible for all the ills of the world - as in "health and safety say we can't do that..."
Can I have all four? ;-)
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Mr.Flibble wrote:1) Make the HSE give a direct answer to a question.
At the moment there doesn't even seem to be a way to ask them a question, never mind get an answer.
Mr.Flibble wrote:2) Make legislation more definitive and not open to individual interpretation.
Interesting that this seems to be the opposite of Sadlasss wish:
sadlass wrote:Scrap (most) regulations, and go back to HASAWA first principles, making the decisions necessary and relevant to your business and level of risk.
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Safety Witch wrote:If you could insist on anything to do with safety/health what would it be?
Most of Heathers and
A NEBOSH diploma syllabus where every line makes sense?
Oh and make the HSE stop spending hours rewriting AcOPs that were OK - for versions that are a bit better - but well still OK and get them to go do some enforcing instead!!!
Oh can David Cameron sit it in on one my managing safely classes - I think it's about the right level to help him understand the basics :)
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How about compulsory H&S training for managers and directors?
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Just thought of another one.
Standardise a risk assessment form? One format for all businesses?
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safety witch wrote:Just thought of another one.
Standardise a risk assessment form? One format for all businesses?
You are kiddding of course
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walker wrote:I'd ensure that the prime minister of the day spent a week each year visiting the families of people who had died at work and seeing for themselves the massive costs incurred.
I would take it further and get a minister or the PM to visit each and every family - in the days after the event; then a couple of weeks later and then a follow up in 12 months time to see the devastation caused. That would get them out of the clouds!!
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A Kurdziel wrote:safety witch wrote:Just thought of another one.
Standardise a risk assessment form? One format for all businesses?
You are kiddding of course
It has question marks, I wask asking.
I'm trying to prompt discussion. Its a discussion board.
So why not then?
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So, one form for everything from
• A normal work-a-day office
• Stacking pallets with an FLT
• Dissecting a cow which has TB
• Handling radioactive open sources in molecular technology lab
• Visiting farms to inspect bee hives
• Etc
The form would wither be very long (90% of which nobody would actually use but would have to be included just in case) or just a blank sheet of paper (which sometimes is the best format)
Returning to the original thread- I’d like to stop the lawyers starting each and every claim with a question about ‘risk assessments’ giving the impression to employers that they need to risk assess everything to death rather than just the significant risks.
It’s not the risk assessment (or lack of it) that causes the accident; it is a lack of proper management and a poor H&S culture that allows accidents to occur.
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Of course if all of our wishes were to come true, we would all be out of a job! :)
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Now if that was the case I would not need a job!!
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I would 'ban' (well, strongly disapprove of) any kind of standardised FORMS for risk assessment recording. Especially landscape, dull and badly formatted ones.
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HSE should prosecute individual workers more often - to demonstrate that they have safety obligations as well.
Its too easy to simply prosecute the employer nearly all of the time
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sadlass wrote:I would 'ban' (well, strongly disapprove of) any kind of standardised FORMS for risk assessment recording. Especially landscape, dull and badly formatted ones.
Any form that has a landscape layout is the work of the devil!
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Have to agree with slapping anyone who says H&S is 'common sense' Just had a claim in from someone who fell from the top bunk of bed while they were stretching about four foot over the edge of the bed to turn a TV over pity he didn't have the common sense to realise that at a certain point your head and chest becomes heavier that your legs. And guess what it was our fault for not telling him.
The song 'paddy's sick note' comes to mind.
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I wish that people would plan every job properly instead of just going out and doing it
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