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What improvements have you made in the work place regarding iso 14001 and 18001 ?
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Many to comply with the standards and keep certification, not so many that actually make a huge difference to the man on the shop floor :-)
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Personally I think that choosing to concentrate on making our work healthier, safer and less harmful to the environment would be a better use of time and effort than adopting the straitjacket of these standards and the time/resources burden of maintaining the necessary accreditations.
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Agree with #3
I have been through the hoops to achieve ISO14001 & 18001 a couple of times, when I still worked in IOSH type safety.
I came to the conclusion, certainly for organisations that already had a good understanding of both environmental and safety requirements, that these standards and the necessary effort to up keep accreditation, was mainly a waste of time, effort and resources. Not to mention the expense of BSi auditing etc.
Stay clear in my view
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I'm surprised by your comments ... This is a question I have been asked by an employer regarding a hse position. Is your conclusion that we gain these certificates just because legislation requires companies to have them but in the real world it doesn't comply ?
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mikeeeeeboy wrote:What improvements have you made in the work place regarding iso 14001 and 18001 ?
A better xmas party due to the increased business achieved by spouting "we are now ISO accredited!!"
I'm not cynical, honest.
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'we gain these certificates just because legislation requires companies to have them'
Legislation doesn't require you to have these accreditations & certificates.
You need to have an effective management system.
Most companies go for such accreditation because of the perceived credibility and commercial advantage.
i.e. the usual contractor appraisal questionnaires ask about such accreditations, if you don't have them, then you may well get marked down and secure work.
However they remain in my view, a waste of time, if you are already following recognised HSE guidance etc
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I agree most established companies do have an effective management system in place but what about the little players who comply with Iso certification as you say for client stipulation do you agree this is a waste of time as well ?
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Also agree with #3. In my experience it is mostly client driven and to be considered for a contract you have to have these certifications in place or you are stricken off straight away.
These certifications are not necessary if you already have an effective SMS in place and don't actually improve H&S as such, just comply with the standard as stated already. A load of additional documentation is also created as a result of the certifications.
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It depends upon the organisational & safety culture of the company and the core reason for implementing a Health & Safety plus an Environmental management System. Both OHSAS 18001 ( 18001 is not an ISO Standard!) and ISO 14001 provide a structured route to implementing a management system that can be internally & externally audited and certified as such by certification bodies. It can also drive continuous improvement if that was one of the main reasons for implementing it in the first place. In my experience, it will always be the robust internal audit process that will drive improvements. It is a fact that having such certifications help during contractor selection vetting, but it can be a burden for small businesses as implementing such systems does require resources.
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jay wrote:OHSAS 18001 ( 18001 is not an ISO Standard!)
Well, technically 18001 is an ISO standard, it is Information technology -- Radio frequency identification for item management -- Application requirements profiles.
http://www.iso.org/iso/h...etail.htm?csnumber=40733
A posting to this forum is probably not interested in the hardware implementation details of RFID stock management, however.
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