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AKM  
#1 Posted : 03 July 2013 12:00:17(UTC)
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AKM

We regularly get buffet lunches for meetings from an outside caterer. Recently these are being delivered an hour or so before the required time and we do not have anywhere cool/refrigerated where these can be stored. Is there a maximum time that sandwiches and chicken pieces can be left at room temperature before being disposed? Thanks in advance
PGra  
#2 Posted : 03 July 2013 13:16:35(UTC)
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PGra

Hi The legal requirements for producers of high risk foods (like the type you are recieving) is that it should be produced and either placed under temperautre control at of below 8 degrees centigrade or can stored at ambient temperautres but must be either use, consumed within 4 hours, if not consumed within the 4 hours then the food should be disposed of. This is often refered to as the 4 hour rule. I would recommend you check with your supplier to see if they are delivering the sandwiches under temperautre control. I would then check the food core temperature on arrival and if it is below 8c apply the 4 hour rule from time of delivery. However if your supplier is not delivering the food under temperaure control this may cause more of a problem because obviously the 4 hour rule should be started from the time the sandwiches are produced and you maybe exceeding this by the time you eat the food. hope this answers your concerns
AKM  
#3 Posted : 03 July 2013 13:33:19(UTC)
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AKM

Thanks PGra. That's perfect
IanDakin  
#4 Posted : 03 July 2013 14:36:55(UTC)
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IanDakin

It would be worth asking your supplier the questions highlighted above, and ask them to supply a note on the buffet stating what time it must be consumed by. Ian
chris.packham  
#5 Posted : 03 July 2013 15:33:33(UTC)
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chris.packham

You say you haven't anywhere for the food to be stored under cool conditions. Have you considered one of the small, mains/battery powered cool boxes that are often used by campers? These are not bulky and will keep your food at a suitable temperature, provided that they are turned on well in advance of the food being delivered. Chris
David Bannister  
#6 Posted : 03 July 2013 16:56:46(UTC)
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David Bannister

chris.packham wrote:
You say you haven't anywhere for the food to be stored under cool conditions. Have you considered one of the small, mains/battery powered cool boxes that are often used by campers? These are not bulky and will keep your food at a suitable temperature, provided that they are turned on well in advance of the food being delivered. Chris
or a mains powered fridge (<£100 at major retailers) which will also allow storage of cool drinks. Needs cleaning regularly.
decimomal  
#7 Posted : 05 July 2013 13:33:04(UTC)
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decimomal

akm wrote:
We regularly get buffet lunches for meetings from an outside caterer. Recently these are being delivered an hour or so before the required timeThanks in advance
Replies so far sum it up, but why are they not delivering the goods at the time you request them? Perhaps you should change suppliers?
Paul Harrison  
#8 Posted : 08 July 2013 15:12:13(UTC)
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Paul Harrison

PGra wrote:
Hi The legal requirements for producers of high risk foods (like the type you are recieving) is that it should be produced and either placed under temperautre control at of below 8 degrees centigrade or can stored at ambient temperautres but must be either use, consumed within 4 hours, if not consumed within the 4 hours then the food should be disposed of. This is often refered to as the 4 hour rule. I would recommend you check with your supplier to see if they are delivering the sandwiches under temperautre control. I would then check the food core temperature on arrival and if it is below 8c apply the 4 hour rule from time of delivery. However if your supplier is not delivering the food under temperaure control this may cause more of a problem because obviously the 4 hour rule should be started from the time the sandwiches are produced and you maybe exceeding this by the time you eat the food. hope this answers your concerns
Totally agree with the above, however it is also worth noting that the 4hr rule used to be termed an 'exemption', but is now termed a 'defence' and as such it is up to the supplier to be able to prove that they are complying with the 4hr rule. As a contract caterer we provide hospitality to our suppliers and we give a buffet disclaimer stating when the buffet was prepared and the time it should be consumed by (we usually work on 2-3 hours) e.g. Buffet required for 1230, we prepare at 1100 (refrigerate), deliver at 1215 and put a consume time of 1400 on the disclaimer (3hrs).
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