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paul-ps  
#1 Posted : 15 July 2013 12:08:54(UTC)
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paul-ps

What temperature is reasonable in the work place. Is a room temperature of 28°C acceptable in an area where low physical effort is required?
safetyamateur  
#2 Posted : 15 July 2013 12:37:15(UTC)
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safetyamateur

I'd expect that to be pretty unbearable for any length of time.
JJ Prendergast  
#3 Posted : 15 July 2013 13:14:14(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

Room size? Ventilation / air flow through the room? Number of people working in the room?
stel669  
#4 Posted : 15 July 2013 13:43:54(UTC)
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hserc  
#5 Posted : 15 July 2013 13:50:06(UTC)
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hserc

It's not just the 'reasonable-ness' temperature that's at issue, but how reasonable it would be to provide other mitigating measures, such as increased ventilation, ability for people to take breaks somewhere cooler, etc. We had a similar problem in a large warehouse with a mezzanine floor level. In the summer it could get unbearably hot. we considered it 'unreasonable' to spend what would have been a huge investment in air-con equipment for the relatively few days in the year when it would be needed. But it was reasonable to discuss with the workforce our alternatives: Free bottled water, air circulation fans and more frequent breaks to an air-conditioned rest area. These actions were agreed and everyone is happy. To my mind it's not always the temperature that's the reasonable or unreasonable factor, but what you do about it.
kevkel  
#6 Posted : 15 July 2013 13:56:55(UTC)
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kevkel

Irish legislation states that workplace temperatures for sedentary work should be a minimum of 17.5 Celsius at each workstation within one hour of starting work. While no maximum is prescribed it is genarally accepted to be about 21 Celsuis. I took a reading of 42 Celsuis in a pantry off our main kitchen (large catering type). I immediately requested portable air con units be rented.
hopeful  
#7 Posted : 15 July 2013 13:58:16(UTC)
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hopeful

As hserc stated sometimes it is about how you mitigate the issue. There are many workplaces that will have unreasonable tempertures at the moment because of the exceptional summer weather but it would be unreasonable to expect a company to invest thousands of pounds to reduce exceptional temperatures in the workplace that occur for a couple of weeks every 5 or so years. However if the temperature is excessive regularly then it may be appropriate. We are looking at amending the dress code, providing fans etc while we have this lovely weather.
colinreeves  
#8 Posted : 15 July 2013 13:59:13(UTC)
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colinreeves

<Tongue very firmly placed in cheek> How about relocating to Shetland - we reached the giddy heights of 16 degrees a few days ago, back down to 15 today.
hserc  
#9 Posted : 15 July 2013 14:05:01(UTC)
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hserc

Intrigued by the Irish 'maximum' of 21 degrees C. Is it really that cold over there that 21 is considered too hot? ;-)
chris.packham  
#10 Posted : 15 July 2013 14:29:28(UTC)
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chris.packham

It isn't just the heat but also the humidity. When I was working in Libya I was based on the coast (tanker loading terminal). High relative humidity and very uncomfortable. Visiting the production centre well into the desert the temperature there was several degrees higher, but as the humidity was much lower it felt much more comfortable. To quote Occupational Health by Harrington, Gill et al: "For example, sweating ceases to be an effective means of heat los at ambient temperatures about 37 deg C at a relative humidity of 80% or greater." Chris
kevkel  
#11 Posted : 15 July 2013 15:48:36(UTC)
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kevkel

hserc wrote:
Intrigued by the Irish 'maximum' of 21 degrees C. Is it really that cold over there that 21 is considered too hot? ;-)
Yep.
Graham Bullough  
#12 Posted : 15 July 2013 16:37:20(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Every time a heatwave occurs in the UK, one or more threads about excessive workplace temperatures related to hot weather appear on this forum. Therefore, it's no surprise to see this thread. However, it is somewhat unusual for such a thread to appear as late as 11 days after the present heatwave began throughout the UK. On second thoughts I had better rephrase that last bit as "throughout MOST of the UK", otherwise some forum readers in remote places such as Muckle Flugga might be prompted to respond to say they haven't had any heatwave recently! p.s. Out of curiosity I've just done a search to see if the above posting contains the first ever reference to Muckle Flugga on this forum, and found that it's evidently the third one - the previous ones being on 29.1.10 and 4.4.11 ! :-)
David Bannister  
#13 Posted : 15 July 2013 18:57:47(UTC)
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David Bannister

Graham, there is a recognised term Googlewhack for a unique listing on that search engine. Were you looking for an IOSHwhack?
David Bannister  
#14 Posted : 15 July 2013 19:06:54(UTC)
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David Bannister

Currently 29 degrees C with 41% RH at my workplace with two windows providing a through draught and ready access to my fridge. 7PM in Bury. But I'm lovin' it!
Graham Bullough  
#15 Posted : 16 July 2013 01:26:01(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

As I'm fascinated by words, my thanks to David B for mentioning the existence of Googlewhack. The pronunciation of its latter part seems to give it a Liverpudlian connotation. As a return gesture I'll mention the Uxbridge English Dictionary for the benefit of any forum users who haven't heard of it. It originated from a section on BBC Radio 4's comedy quiz programme "I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue" in which contestants were asked to suggest new definitions for commonly known words and names e.g. Venezuela: a gondola fitted with a harpoon, and Mimimum: a dwarf mother. Chris Packham rightly mentioned how high relative humidity levels made high temperatures more uncomfortable. From experience of winter conditions in the UK, Norway and Finland I can add that they do the same for low temperatures. Moderately cold, say minus 5 deg C, air which is moist usually feels colder and more uncomfortable than dry air at about minus 10 deg C.
Graham Bullough  
#16 Posted : 18 July 2013 00:49:42(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Here's another aspect to consider - Though some people think the unpleasant smell of body odour (BO) comes from sweat, it actually comes from bacteria on skin which breaks down sweat into acids, especially protein-rich sweat from armpits and other hairy areas. As people sweat more during heatwaves and bacteria thrive and multiply more readily in warm moist conditions, it's likely that more people will have BO during heatwaves and/or stronger BO and thus add to the discomfort arising from excessive heat and humidity in workplaces and elsewhere. Therefore, where feasible, measures in workplaces which help to lower excessive temperature and humidity should be encouraged so as to minimise sweating, while people themselves can help by washing more frequently. Equally important is regular changing and laundering of clothing: During a hot summer in the 1980s a friend of mine and her colleagues experienced problems with a notably niffy supervisor. The supervisor was most surprised when a personnel officer had a diplomatic chat with him about his pungency and asserted that he had a shower every day. However, further discussion by the personnel officer revealed that the supervisor, a youngish man who lived alone, didn't change or launder his clothing on a sufficiently frequent basis. Perhaps he had a limited or impaired sense of smell and/or wanted to save money by not over-using his washing machine. Anyhow, the personnel officer successfully persuaded the supervisor to improve his arrangements and the problem was solved. Further details (including the significance of eccrine and apocrine glands) can be found for example on the NHS webpage at http://www.nhs.uk/condit.../Pages/Introduction.aspx Also, for anyone keen to acquire a new word to sprinkle in conversations, the technical/medical term for BO is bromhidrosis ! :-)
Invictus  
#17 Posted : 18 July 2013 06:43:27(UTC)
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Invictus

What a country in winter we can't cope and now we have a bit of sunshine and we can't cope. Can't wait for the Autumn, it might just be right, but watch out for the fallen leaves, you might slip on them or they might hit you on the head. The only thing I can't cope with in this weather is having to be in work.
Safety butterfly  
#18 Posted : 18 July 2013 12:00:59(UTC)
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Safety butterfly

Hi All, I agree with Invictus, bring on the autum :) Currently I am working in a busy transport porta-cabin which is located inside a building, and guess what the air conditioning has broken, I have no idea what the tempreature is at the moment, "oh Joy" its going to be a long wait for the repair person :( So all I can say at the moment is bromhidrosis is getting stronger by the second, bring on home time !!
jay  
#19 Posted : 18 July 2013 14:29:30(UTC)
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jay

Interestingly, a group of MPs have called for a law which would make management send staff home if the workplace gets too hot.! An early-day motion tabled by Labour MP Linda Riordan has called for a law which would see employers sending staff home if workplaces reach 30C. http://www.iosh.co.uk/ne...?i=N0258391374056657816A
walker  
#20 Posted : 18 July 2013 14:35:06(UTC)
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walker

It won't be long before we have posts about clearing up the snow in the car park.
kevkel  
#21 Posted : 18 July 2013 14:39:45(UTC)
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kevkel

jay wrote:
Interestingly, a group of MPs have called for a law which would make management send staff home if the workplace gets too hot.! An early-day motion tabled by Labour MP Linda Riordan has called for a law which would see employers sending staff home if workplaces reach 30C. http://www.iosh.co.uk/ne...?i=N0258391374056657816A
I'm off to put on the heating!!!
A Kurdziel  
#22 Posted : 18 July 2013 16:50:08(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

jay wrote:
Interestingly, a group of MPs have called for a law which would make management send staff home if the workplace gets too hot.! An early-day motion tabled by Labour MP Linda Riordan has called for a law which would see employers sending staff home if workplaces reach 30C. http://www.iosh.co.uk/ne...?i=N0258391374056657816A
Well that's what left of the steel and metallurgical industry gone, along with baking, cement works, mines, and anything that does not involve working in a nice office in Westminster.
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