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spud  
#1 Posted : 09 July 2013 15:43:13(UTC)
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spud

Hi I was asked a question today by someone and wanted to canvas a little opinion its regrading Train the trainer courses and competence etc. I know some people would argue being Grad Iosh or CMIOSH and experience is one illustration of training competence but I also know there are courses out there A couple i have heard of is EDI, IFE, NCFE, CIEH, CTLLS approved. Now obviously there are various approved bodies but is anyone aware of the ones i have mentioned what exactly is the benefit ? Alan
walker  
#2 Posted : 10 July 2013 14:58:23(UTC)
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walker

Holding Grad IOSH or CMIOSH and experience is certainly not an illustration of training competence. Been subject to a few death by powerpoint sessions by such believers, in my time! CIEH is quite good so I understand (but have no experience). I "did" an IOSH train the trainer about 15 years ago (was quite good) then another from an outfit in Northampton that was excellent and I now use him to train my staff. Last year I "refreshed" by doing a PTLLS (lower level than CTLLS) and was most impressed and learned quite a few new things. I'd still rate myself as a mediocre trainer however. The real good uns have that something extra
Nicola Kemmery  
#3 Posted : 10 July 2013 16:40:41(UTC)
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Nicola Kemmery

I cannot recommend any specific courses but would certainly recommend a train the trainer course. GradIOSh / CMIOSH is more about technical knowledge and experience and I would concur with the previous comments. It is also worth thinking about what you want to achieve - is it 'training' or is it facilitation of workshops. There are differences in the skills for imparting information as opposed to getting people to think for themselves.
Mandy Ellis  
#4 Posted : 12 July 2013 14:57:01(UTC)
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Mandy Ellis

As I understand it: An individual who would like to teach adults now has to have a recognised teaching qualification, which sets out to maintain standards within the industry. The PTLLS Level 3/4 award enables you to gain this certification and prepares you fully for the world of teaching. If you wanted to assess NVQ subjects in your specialised area, you would need the NVQ/QCF Assessor qualification. This may not be the case for every individual, I aren't too sure. However, as I work for a training company where we train and/or assess adults and apprentices we have to be qualified. (ie Ofsted/Awarding body requirements). If someone is looking to go into a trainer role for a training company or college, then they would definitely require PTLLS. I agree with Walker "the good uns have that something extra" when interviewing for positions, a trainer needs to be good, otherwise with all the technical knowledge in the world if you can't teach then how can you teach others?
hsawact  
#5 Posted : 24 July 2013 10:08:59(UTC)
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hsawact

Hi Spud, Like Walker I have held various qualifications throughout my Advisor/ Trainer Roles in Industry and Construction. I started off with the post grad in further education and did the D32 & D/33. I am an IOSH MS trainer and carryout Manual Handling/ Behaviour Safety and DSE training after having attended the relevant training/ train the trainer courses. Next week I will be undertaking the advanced training for H&S professionals in Coventry, the PTLLS to TAP certificate. Regards Brian
martin sprange  
#6 Posted : 24 July 2013 10:22:30(UTC)
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martin sprange

Spud, Look for the PTLLS or the CTLLS; i have completed the PTLLS course and found it enlightening, Without which i would not understand the way to structure the training or guage the learners apptitude and understanding of the course taught.
damelcfc  
#7 Posted : 24 July 2013 21:17:10(UTC)
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damelcfc

Being CMIOSH does not make me a competent trainer. Holding a current, valid CIEH professional trainers certificate (used to be called train the trainer) does - to a certain level. Being a teacher/trainer/lecturer is a very different skill set to simply knowing your stuff to as high level. Some of the most learned people I have ever known could not show/tell/instruct anyone else, they simply did/do not have that in them. Conversely some great trainers are not deep subject matter experts but can learn a module in enough detail to be able to teach it effectly. As with anything there are the good the bad and the inbetween and some subjects, no matter how great the presenter just don't do it for you as an individual and will forever be boring as hell..
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