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BJC  
#1 Posted : 30 July 2013 14:21:08(UTC)
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Millions of £s and thousands of lives have been lost due to HM Govt licensing a dangerous product for use. Why dont they have to pay to remove all the ACMs in our buildings ?
David Bannister  
#2 Posted : 30 July 2013 14:48:23(UTC)
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David Bannister

As a UK taxpayer I have absolutely no willingness to fund this activity for all the thousands of private and public companies, charities and assorted religious institutions. It's bad enough that we have to fund the ongoing management of asbestos in publicly owned buildings and the costs of healthcare for those previously exposed and affected. "They" = UK taxpayers.
A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 30 July 2013 16:16:50(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

The government did not licence asbestos; it was a wonder material identified and developed from the 19th century onwards (I know it has been used before then but it really took off in the industrial revolution) it was not regarded as hazardous (although a research paper published in 1897 suggested it might be). It became a cheap general building material and was often used where it’s special heat resistant properties were not required. It wasn’t until the 1970’s that people realised quite how dangerous it was but by then the horse had left the stable and it as too late to bolt the door. To remove all of the asbestos in the country would be a massive and expensive job. Identifying who was responsible for putting it into buildings etc would now after many years be impossible. Further more in many cases the process of removing the stuff would actually cause more risk that leaving it where it is. Should the taxpayer pay? Well then, should they be expected to clear up all of the other man made disasters from thalidomide to global warming? Whose fault it is; nobodies and everybody’s- is a perfect example of the road to hell being paved with good intentions- asbestos looked like the right material at the right time; it only took about 100 years to realise how wrong that was.
Ron Hunter  
#4 Posted : 30 July 2013 16:31:43(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Without asbestos there would have been no Industrial Revolution, no British Empire and no Commonwealth. We can't re-write history,or turn back time. The wholescale removal of asbestos from all our buildings is simply untenable and not without significant health risk. I'd rather the Government put more effort into getting our millions of older diesel vehicles off the road in this Country - a FAR greater health risk. Instead, the Government seem happy to dabble in the affairs of Local Government and invite anarchy by suggesting that double-yellow parking restrictions are yet another example of petty Town Hall bureaucracy holding back the wheels of UK Industry. This Government needs to get real.
Canopener  
#5 Posted : 30 July 2013 16:37:11(UTC)
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Canopener

In very simple terms, because: it would make us (as a country) uncompetitive against other countries that don't follow suit (and they won't)! the cost would put the country 'out of business'! 'they' is actually 'us', and we can't afford it. Can we?
Borisgiles  
#6 Posted : 30 July 2013 17:11:31(UTC)
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Borisgiles

Well firstly in a way the "government" do pay, or at least contribute as asbestos removal works qualifies for 150% tax relief. The thing is though, whilst it was licensed, no-one actually had to use it. The risks were well known from the first half of the 20th century but companies continued to use as as it was cheap. Doesn't look quite so cheap now though.
Melrose80086  
#7 Posted : 31 July 2013 09:13:22(UTC)
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Melrose80086

Also, while the UK has been trying to effectively manage the asbestos (by identifying where it may be located within an older building and, where it poses a significant risk to those living or working there, removing it safely), other countries such as China are still using it. So, while it's been banned here, items arriving fully assembled from say China "may" contain asbestos which could be released in later years if the item was to be broken up etc. Was at a asbestos awareness course earlier this year and guy giving the course said they'd been asked to conduct a survey of a block of flats put up in 2011. Now, in theory there shouldn't be any asbestos in the building so should have just been a paper exercise but on entering one of the flats, the guy noticed there was artex on the ceiling plus a "board" behind the cooker on the wall (attached with some screws). He asked the owner where these had come from as they weren't in any of the other flats and the owner said his mate had them lying in a garage. Samples duly taken and yep, turned out to be asbestos board and asbestos in the artex as well. Whole flat was contaminated with the stuff. Also went to the mate's garage and it was full of the stuff as well...in fact the whole building was made of the stuff (walls lagged with it, roof and a couple of bags of artex in the corner). So, even in properties which shouldn't contain asbestos material at all, there may well be some that has been introduced by the owner / occupier at a later date! It was used so frequently back in the 60s / 70s that it's literally everywhere...[he showed slides of a play park where the fence was made out of asbestos boards...they were broken with bits lying on the ground. Any child kicking a football against it would release fibres which could potentially be breathed in by the child retrieving the ball].
JJ Prendergast  
#8 Posted : 31 July 2013 10:16:07(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

Sounds like another provocative/troll posting by the original poster. Don't bite. Has done a few such postings.
peter gotch  
#9 Posted : 31 July 2013 13:25:15(UTC)
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peter gotch

JJ - not biting! from Natural History”, Pliny the Elder, 1st Century AD “I have seen…napkins that were made of it thrown into a blazing fire…where the guests were at table, and after the stains were burnt out, come forth from the flames whiter and cleaner than they could possibly have been rendered by the aid of water.” Don’t buy quarry slaves as prone to “sickness of the lungs” and often “die young” Respirators made of transparent bladder skin to reduce amount of dust breathed in from Factories and Workshops Annual Report for 1898 “The evil effects of asbestos dust have also attracted my attention…and where [the particles] are allowed to rise and remain suspended in the air…the effects have been found to be injurious…” ... and we legislated as far back as 1931.
BJC  
#10 Posted : 03 August 2013 10:19:15(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast wrote:
Sounds like another provocative/troll posting by the original poster. Don't bite. Has done a few such postings.
Perhaps you also believe HM Gov have no responsibility for taking millions in tax from Tobacco companies.
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