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chris42  
#1 Posted : 04 August 2013 17:54:25(UTC)
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chris42

Hi all I seem to recall a conversation on here some time ago about the one day (3hour) annual refresher training and it only being guidance and not compulsory. I tried the search and got the black screen of death, then an error. I seem to recall the discussion suggesting it was a money making exercise, but not sure if I remember correctly. Once they do the 3 day FAW which is valid for 3 years, do people think it is a good idea to get people to do the three hour refresher ? Are people just doing it as the guidance / HSE site suggest they should or is whatever you can re learn in 3 hours worth it. I know context is everything on this site so, say it is for a workshop, 20 people ( one or two first aiders around at any one time). Some hot work ( oxy / Acetylene or MIG), some work at height, some heavy lifts with equipment (not crane) and general assembly work. What are your thoughts ? Also is there a one month time limit each year to do the refresher. Chris
Jake  
#2 Posted : 05 August 2013 11:13:34(UTC)
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Jake

Check the prices of the 3-day course vs 1-day refresher. From memory my last employer maintained annual refresher training for first aiders as it was cheaper to put the memebers of staff on 3x 1-day courses vs 1x 3-day course. It is also for managers to manage time away from the workplace using this method. E.g. St Johns Ambulance - £275 + VAT for 3 day course, £56 + VAt for annual refersher.
Guru  
#3 Posted : 05 August 2013 11:35:29(UTC)
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Guru

Hi Chris, Like anything, you'll have opinions on both sides of the fence here. To answer your initial points, you are correct in that the annual refresher is not a legal requirement, but based on a strong recommendation from the HSE that annual refreshers are given. The argument for it is pretty straight forward, in that its not uncommon for a certified first aider to never actually being called upon to administer first aid and the refresher training is an opportunity for first aiders to be refreshed on the practical and theory side of things. You'll find this recommendation from the following link: http://www.hse.gov.uk/fi...d/first-aid-training.htm Regarding the 28 day limit, please read the following link: http://www.hse.gov.uk/firstaid/review/may06.htm
chris42  
#4 Posted : 05 August 2013 13:09:16(UTC)
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chris42

Thanks both Yes I looked at the recommendation on the HSE site, but I was struggling to get to terms with how much benefit a 3 hour course would provide. I remember the discussion on here (sort of) but could not remember if there was a clear winner for one side of the fence or the other. It's not so much cost but lost time, especially when I doubt the benefit. As not many want to discuss, then I will just ask the first aiders if they want it. I hate wasting time and money even when it is not mine. I may get them to go on it even if they are not bothered, and ask for feedback on its value. Thanks for the input. Cheers Chris
bobf  
#5 Posted : 05 August 2013 13:53:35(UTC)
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bobf

Our 3hr annual refreshers consist of basic life support skills, ie CPR, recovery position and use of our defib unit. It is not suprising what people forget in the space of a year if not giving a chance to use their skills in that time, so the benefit for us is great as it bring these individuals up back up to speed and there is the chance of having that immeasurable benefit of saving a life.
stevedm  
#6 Posted : 05 August 2013 16:21:12(UTC)
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stevedm

Agree with Bobf... We also look at all the first aid incidents and go through the scenarios with the less experienced/confident first aiders. Also look at high risk chemicals incidents for some staff.. We have to work very closely with the teams to make sure they are getting the right support. PowerPoint doesn't always do it...
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