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Hall900056  
#1 Posted : 04 August 2013 22:37:14(UTC)
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Hall900056

Umm question for you all, I need some advice I have a customer who is buying a standard new grinder, taking off the guards and welding on a section about one foot long to sharpen knives (really sharp knives used to trim farm animals feet) I have asked another person who I know who also uses the same (no guards) piece of kit but his is direct from a manufacture in Holland. I have looked at the supply of machinery regulations 2008 and not sure what to advise my customer, I have in my mind that the grinder should have guarding, yes. No question there. And would like to advise that it should be CE kite marked but he buys it already marked, then carries out a modification before moving it on, so he has in effect tampered with the safety devices. I am aware that he is also breaking the HSWA “so designed and constructed that it will be safe and without risks to health” but what else should this equipment have? Declaration of Conformity!
Safety Smurf  
#2 Posted : 05 August 2013 08:59:18(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Legalities and paperwork aside, this sounds like an accident waiting to happen. At best it sounds like your customer will right-off a grinder and waste his time. The welded on attachment would have to be extremely finely balanced in order for it to rotate at those speeds safely. Are we talking about a bench grinder or angle grinder? You could try checking with the manufacturer of the Dutch version to find out what speed it works at?
bob youel  
#3 Posted : 05 August 2013 09:10:34(UTC)
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bob youel

what do you mean by the term 'customer'?
paul.skyrme  
#4 Posted : 05 August 2013 18:43:01(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Hall, Do you mean a double ended off hand or pedestal grinder? IF, so, then forget the H&S tell your client that he is ruining his knives!!! Lets try to establish the type of machine first... Link here to illustrate the type of machine NOT a sales endorsement: Like this: http://www.buckandhickma...+Bench/product-is-136831 or this: http://www.buckandhickma...+Bench/product-is-136618 Before they start?
Jim Tassell  
#5 Posted : 05 August 2013 20:16:06(UTC)
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Jim Tassell

As always, I stand to be corrected by m'learned friends but I think the Supply of Machinery Safety Regs extend their coverage such that you can be a supplier to yourself. Must try to find my copy.... So a home-made bodge still has to comply with the "Essential Safety Requirements".
paul.skyrme  
#6 Posted : 05 August 2013 20:57:38(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Jim, You are correct, all of the legislation & EU directives apply even to "DIY" equipment & machinery of all types for use in business, obviously, true domestic DIY @ home is something different! ;)
chris42  
#7 Posted : 05 August 2013 21:24:28(UTC)
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chris42

I think the OP is saying that an organisation is buying a standard grinder, taking bits off, adding new bits on then selling it to another company (the Customer), as a specialised product. My understanding is that even if made for your own use in your own organisation, you are still "putting it on the market". Your company could go bust and all assets be sold. So as others have said need to meet the standard.
paul.skyrme  
#8 Posted : 05 August 2013 21:30:09(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

chris, Your post I think highlights one of the issues we need to understand in your first paragraph. Oh and yes equipment for ones own use is still putting onto the market.
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