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grahamharris  
#1 Posted : 06 August 2013 09:35:32(UTC)
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grahamharris

I recently spent a wonderful day at a local RNLI fund raising event, lifeboats, helicopters, sea rescues, the works. We even had the RNLI selling homemade cakes and bacon baps to raise money, a great day. As part of the fundraising a couple of the local fishermen were providing trips around the bay just asking for donations to the RNLI. For some reason they decided to use the old now disused lifeboat slipway for the general public to embark and disembark the fishing boats. I observed the general public walking down the fairly narrow (600-700mm wide) steps on the side of the old slipway, starting at approximately 5 metres above the rocks and dropping to sea level, with no fall prevention whatsoever, and having to pass those disembarking whilst on the narrow steps, although they were almost at sea level by then. Should this have been allowed? Is it OK for the general public to be allowed to take this sort of risk? I suppose the real question is; who would be sued if someone got injured? Should I have done something?
stevedm  
#2 Posted : 06 August 2013 13:00:08(UTC)
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stevedm

Graham I'm sure we have all made the same or similar observation at some time....bamboo scaffolding in India comes to mind...doesn't make you a nerd just human.... The general public are strange beasts...a litle akin to hearding cats...
Graham Bullough  
#3 Posted : 06 August 2013 13:05:13(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

graham As other people who are acquainted with docks and harbours, etc. will confirm, open-edged flights of steps at the sides of structures like you describe are very common. They have to be open-edged to enable people to transfer between boats and the steps at any time and height of tide. The significant vertical height you mention suggests that you were using the slipway at a time when the tide was very low. Was there an inclined handrail bolted to the slipway wall side of the steps so that people had the option of grasping it while using the steps? Earlier this year I saw examples of such steps at the main harbour for St Mary's, the main island of the Isles of Scilly from which numerous small ferry boats convey passengers to and from the other islands and also tourists on pleasure cruises. Recessed into the vertical-sided harbour wall at intervals are 4 or more stone stairways, all open-sided and about 1 metre/39ins wide, each with a single sloping handrail bolted to the harbour wall. The steps are used by people of all ages, including some carrying babies or holding onto young children. At times the steps are used simultaneously by people going up and others descending with the result that those on the outer sides of the steps have nothing to prevent them falling off the edge. Though I didn't feel very comfortable doing this but neither knew the accident history, if any, of the steps nor what could realistically be done about it. If I was at the top of the steps and about to descend, I tended to wait for anyone ascending to get to the top of the steps so that neither of us was obliged to pass the other on the outside. However, quite often when I was halfway on the steps, one or more people would start coming the other way - situations which suggested to me that the prospect of step etiquette being widely adopted by step users was very low. Also, as already discussed in various other threads on this forum, there are other types of unprotected edge features in places accessed by employees, customers and/or members of the public, including railway platforms and canal lock chambers.
David Bannister  
#4 Posted : 06 August 2013 17:07:50(UTC)
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David Bannister

Using this forum is instant qualification as H&S nerd.
Canopener  
#5 Posted : 06 August 2013 17:52:27(UTC)
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Canopener

David Bannister wrote:
Using this forum is instant qualification as H&S nerd.
OMG. I'm out of here!!!
firesafety101  
#6 Posted : 06 August 2013 22:29:06(UTC)
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firesafety101

Graham you say it was a wonderful day, and a great day! Did anyone get hurt? Is anyone suing anybody? I, like you cannot avoid noticing what you say you saw, I can't help looking at fire extinguishers in hotels, even as far as to see if they are up to date for testing. I see stickers on electrical items and look for the date, etc. etc. etc. I look at the way food is handled and served in cafes and restaurants, sometimes I close my eyes when walking past an open kitchen door, am I a nerd? If that means I am a nerd then so be it but I would much rather be the way I am than one who neglects safety. The time to react is when someone is in danger and you can help reduce the danger, otherwise try to get on with life like I do. Try not to be concerned because if everyone did everything the right way (?) nobody would do anything like that.
Graham Bullough  
#7 Posted : 07 August 2013 11:18:51(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

The answer to the question posed by this thread's title surely depend on which of the two common definitions of 'nerd' (according to internet sources) is being used, namely 1. a foolish or contemptible person who lacks social skills and/or is boringly studious or 2. An intelligent, single-minded expert in a particular technical discipline or profession. If it's the second one, consider it as an accolade and one which could apply to most users of this forum! :-)
JohnW  
#8 Posted : 07 August 2013 16:47:20(UTC)
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JohnW

Graham Bullough wrote:
1. a foolish or contemptible person who lacks social skills and/or is boringly studious or 2. An intelligent, single-minded expert in a particular technical discipline or profession.
Well Graham, I'd like to think a 2. was close to how I conduct myself at customers... but I wonder how many of them (their employees) think I am a 1. :0/
Mr.Flibble  
#9 Posted : 07 August 2013 17:07:11(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

I took a picture from my hotel room in Tunisia of two workmen, in bare feet working on a glass large roof by standing, walking and laying on it. No nets, crawlboards, harnesses etc. Below was the main restaurant area....I now use the picture for my W@H Training.....because that's how I roll..
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