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leegriff  
#1 Posted : 08 August 2013 11:03:09(UTC)
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leegriff

Can anyone give some guidance on nitrogen purging of electrical equipment within a confined space. I have a piece of equipment that the manufacturer states requires nitrogen purging at 1lpm but only has a single barb nipple for the purge line to attach to. Its not pressurised or fully enclosed so the N2 can escape and the confined space its designed for will have people in it who will not be breathing via BA but will have a continuous flow of air put through.

It does not seem to have been thought through to me...maybe I'm being a bit too picky?

I can find stuff on N2 purging of vessels but not for electrical equipment in confined spaces

Does anyone have any ideas?
Steve e ashton  
#2 Posted : 09 August 2013 09:42:19(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

How large is the confined space? And how accurate is your glow guage for the purge Nitrogen?

As an example - if you are working in a 2m x 2m x 2m 'box' (8000 litres) with continuous air flow through which is designed for a minimum of four (probably more) air changes per hour.
Then - with 8000 litres of air being pumped through the space every fifteen minutes the addition of 1 lpm of Nitrogen (15 litres in the same 15 minute interval) is neither here nor there. I think you may be being a bit too picky?

HOWEVER - if the N2 purge equipment is permanently installed - and the space is only ventilated when guys need to work in it - then you will, over time, produce an Oxygen deficient atmosphere which will require a period of ventilation when first opened up.

It may be possible to route the vent from the purged equipment outside the space - this would avoid the potantial O2 depletion risk.

Or (perhaps, and most expensively) could you replace the purged equipment with enclosed or pressurised kit that may be seen as more reliably safe in the longer term? (Doesn't rely on an external supply of purge gas)

Steve
leegriff  
#3 Posted : 09 August 2013 10:33:13(UTC)
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leegriff

Thanks Steve
The confined space is 16,500 ltrs and it has a constant flow vent of around 100lpm.

I am looking at having a simple flow meter (between 1 and 4 lpm) put on the device.
Maroc  
#4 Posted : 09 August 2013 10:45:01(UTC)
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Maroc

Obviously you will carry out a risk assessment and put in place any findings. We purge our lasers with nitrogen. As they are not sealed the nitrogen then escapes to atmosphere (cleanroom). A lot will depend on the amount of nitrogen that can escape if there is a leak. If it is a as cylinder or a liquid nitrogen tank then the possible amount of gas is finite and can be calculated, however if it is from a nitrogen generator then in theory the quantity of gas will keep flowing in. We have all three types - dont ask why! We have oxygen deficiency monitors around the room that alarm on low oxygen rates. There is the BOC website which can be quite good. You could also contact suppliers of low oxygen alarms / monitors they can advise (although they will probably try and sell you their equipment). Hope some of that helps.
leegriff  
#5 Posted : 10 August 2013 08:26:05(UTC)
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leegriff

Thanks again Steve
Do you guys use permits to work routinely when purging?
leegriff  
#6 Posted : 10 August 2013 08:27:56(UTC)
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leegriff

Thanks Maroc
Is your purging in a confined space? do you guys use a permit to work?
Maroc  
#7 Posted : 12 August 2013 07:21:23(UTC)
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Maroc

leegriff wrote:
Thanks Maroc
Is your purging in a confined space? do you guys use a permit to work?


leegriff,
our cleanroom is not a confined space however clean air is recirculated (keeps filter costs down) and so the nitrogen is also recirculated, originally we were not sure how this build up would affect oxygen levels but has not been an issue (about 4 years now). Also we wouldn't use a permit system for a 24/7 ongoing process.
Jane Blunt  
#8 Posted : 12 August 2013 08:09:55(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

Maroc wrote:
leegriff wrote:
Thanks Maroc
Is your purging in a confined space? do you guys use a permit to work?


leegriff,
our cleanroom is not a confined space however clean air is recirculated (keeps filter costs down) and so the nitrogen is also recirculated, originally we were not sure how this build up would affect oxygen levels but has not been an issue (about 4 years now). Also we wouldn't use a permit system for a 24/7 ongoing process.


To add a word of caution. We have a room where the air is recirculated, and when the nitrogen line was accidentally displaced so that it was leaking into the room the oxygen level fell to 9% over a period of time. If we had not had oxygen monitoring in that room, the next person to enter it would have died.
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