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is there any reg / legislation (HSE or otherwise) that states the guidelines for the wearing of footwear in the office. there seams to be the chosen few that think its OK to walk around the office in bare feet.not to the liking of most.
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H&S legislation in the UK is not meant to be prescriptive so you cannot expect a set of Suitability of Footwear in the Office Regulations 1992 to exist.
There is a duty on employers to assess risks in the workplace and if your risk assessment says that working bare foot in the office is not a good idea then you must ban it.
In addition, as part of the terms of their employment contract, the employer can insist staff dressing suitably and this might mean expecting them to wear shoes. That’s not health and safety that’s just managing people.
PS Is this a trick question?
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I'm working from home today - and so wandering around my 'office' barefooted!
A random fact from my capoeira life:
In some cultures in Brazil footwear is seen as a form of distinction between the middle classes and slaves - as slaves couldn't afford shoes and were often barefooted. the wearing of shoes is therefore a status symbol!
However the beach styles of capoeira encourage bare feet as it puts one in touch with nature and allows us to escape the social norms and be free!
Ironic...
My point as above - is this a safety question - or a social norm question?
If the latter don't go on holiday to Totnes!!!!
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One of our computer engineers used be in bare feet while at work and also in his normal life.
However, if in the course of his work activates he had to enter a laboratory or workshop he would wear a shoe. I would add that his normal duties would not require him to enter such areas.
None of his work colleagues, who were normally most vocal, objected to this practice and he was generally referred to by all as the Barefoot Engineer.
I raised no safety objections as it was his normal lifestyle and he was well aware of the hazards he might encounter.
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The Director with responsibility for health & safety in my business doesn't wear shoes in his own office. He's also the H/R Director!
This isn't really a H&S issue unless there is a LEGITIMATE risk.
It would be unfortunate if, again, 'Elf'n Safety' were blamed for a decision based on someone's personal (dislikes/beliefs/preferences/etc./ delete as appropriate) and not on a tangible hazard.
If you want to stop it happening because other people don't like it, say so. Please don't cause more damage to our profession by trying to use H&S as an excuse.
Rant off. :-)
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Staples in the office carpet, toes being stubbed on chair legs....Stepping on up-turned plugtops...Not to mentions stinky toes. To be honest, it looks rubbish.
A one-legged-stubbed-toed Long John Silver making a run/hop for the fire escape with a paper clip sticking out from under a great toe... best giggle I've had for a while (I need to get out more)
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The HSE Mythbusters Panel need look no further for new cases
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I've had a lot of experience dealing with this mindless behaviour. It's verukas you should be concerned about.
Introduced a strict regime of issuing rubber socks, extremely close supervision and mountains of recordkeeping. You can't be too careful with this scourge to humanity.
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As long as it's only one person, I doubt that infection from veruccas is going to occur!
Unless others make a habit of walking on their hands, or rubbing their faces along the ground.
Ditto for athletes foot..
However, the bare-footed-employee may have problems from dirt left by contaminated footwear.
Hopefully, he/she has minimal foot odor!
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Bare feet may well be less offensive that socks/tights/empty smelly shoes.
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Are you sure David? Do you have any evidence for those assertions? Any evidence whatsoever?
On the contrary, there is considerable evidence for fungal shedding and fungal uptake through, and despite, wearing of socks or tights.
Though offensive may not equate fully with the risk of shedding and subsequent transmission of potential pathogens, your assertion may be largely false.
Perhaps then, you refer to odour as the offensive property. But that too is surely not constrained by hosiery. So, is it just the sight of feet that you consider offensive?
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IB, of course I'm not sure, that's why I said "may well be"
Any offence I would take is from odour. Bare feet generally don't smell bad after they've had a chance to be aired - it's the socks, hosiery and shoes that tend to stink in my experience - that's my evidence.
So far as shedding etc is concerned I have no knowledge and therefore must prostrate myself before your superiority.
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I believe the short answer would be no.
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Elf ‘n’ Safety. Ridiculed if you do, but still just that little bit worried about being sued/prosecuted if you don’t?
Common sense, like fair play is too subjective a concept to be relied upon, especially in court. They both stand on ever shifting sand, subject to the whim of fickle media-driven public opinion.
For a definitive guide on where the law stands on bare feet in the office at this precise moment in time, contact one of the army of compensation law firms whose representatives line our high streets and advertise their services across the media; say you’re incapacitated as a result of some form of foot rot resulting from standing on a drawing pin, splintered floor board, carpet fitting (or whatever) while bare foot in your employer's office.
If they’re biting your hand off to take up your case, you have your answer!
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If there happens to be any vomit on the office floor, this might also pose a risk for bare-footed people - especially in view of delay which may arise from continuing discussion/argument on another forum thread about how best to remove such stuff !!! :-)
p.s. apologies to anyone eating or quaffing while perusing the above comment.
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Haven't any of you watched die hard 1, he'll be in bother if the terrorists shoot the glass.
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Ian's remarks are the most relevant here in my opinion.
When I have had to deal with a similar situation it was not just purely being barefoot in the office, it was also flip flops. Summertime and the air con was being turned up by some one on side of the open plan office floor, and turned down by others. I was threatened by one woman of a certain age who threatened to decapitate me if I turned the temp down due to what she described as her hot flushes. Bless.
When an environmental health officer who worked on that floor (local authority) was talking to someone walking behind her and as a result of her looking behind while walking forwards, her flip flopped foot went into the corner of a filing cabinet base, ripping the skin on her big toe and in the process also breaking the bone in the toe, and shearing the nail off, it was excruciatingly painful for her but as she had ignored my advice that her choice of footwear was ill advised - all recorded - her attempt to get her union to go after me for not enforcing h&s in the office was successfully seen as the rubbish that it was.
Do nothing - and it may bite you if something happens. You cannot legislate for the 'it will never happen to me' brigade who denigrate h&s but blame it when it goes wrong.
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Graham B
What would you expect to catch from vomitus via the skin of your feet? For several practical, biological, immunological and physiological reasons I can't think of any, save in the most improbable of circumstances.
I'd be far more concerned about stepping onto a thumbtack, or stubbing my toe on the photocopier.
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rockybalboa wrote:Haven't any of you watched die hard 1, he'll be in bother if the terrorists shoot the glass.
Best response on this thread by a mile!
Argument settled - reasonably foreseeable - of course it happened in a movie :)
I'm with you on this one Rocky (but then 'they' did draw first blood)
I think it was helpfully pointed out above that due to the no win, no fee culture we are all fated to live bubble wrapped lives and impose over zealous rules in the name of H&S :(
I always end up back at feeling sorry for the society we live in where it's always someone else's fault, (and that's often us from both sides of the coin) but hey it's Friday
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I would argue that it is NOT reasonable for anyone to be barefoot in the workplace. The natural exceptions are where it is expected, i.e. swimming pool lifeguard or similar.
Smell, hygiene, infection, hazards...? How did we ever make it out of the primordial soup?
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While I have some sympathy with the view that barefoot at work is not appropriate, I don't agree the reasons given.
I do all my sport barefoot - judo, karate, taekwondo, aikido. Smell, hygiene, infection, can all be dealt with.
Please find more valid reasons - hazards on the floor, dress code.
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Mick Noonan wrote:
Smell, hygiene, infection, hazards...?
Out of interest, can all these people that find bare feet unacceptable confirm that they enforce a requirement for all staff to wear gloves 100% of the time?
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For me being barefoot in the office is not a safety issue. If being barefoot in your workplace is acceptable then fine, accept the consequences.
For me, it's hard to take a barefoot person seriously, specifically because in most workplaces it's unprofessional. In the same way that you wouldn't expect to see a barefoot newsreader on TV.
It's frowned upon in construction too, btw.
achrn, it's a convention to wear some form of shoes & socks on ones' feet, not hands.
Once again, this is not a safety issue for me, rather a social/professional convention.
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Let's try a silly question.
Is the office designed and maintained to be used by barefooted people? They may exist but are certainly not commonplace and I can't recall anything specific in the various building standards etc. That suggests that the default design position is that people normally wear footwear when moving around?
Thus, people who try to work barefooted are using their workplace improperly, are they not?
Is that any different than using a machine or tool in a manner for which it was not designed. If an employee was doing the latter and their employer failed to intervene? Where is the systems difference? I don't see it. So if you want your line managers to manage it as H&S, I say go ahead on that basis. Do you or they really need to know the DETAIL of the types of hazards or their risk profiles anymore than an operative on a machine needs to understand the design parameters and engineering design controls. Or do they both simply need to understand how to use it properly? Ergo, always use things properly because if you don't then you are ignoring the risk controls applied to protect you.
Anyone know how an office for barefooted employees might be designed differently? If there are none that might suggest that the risks are insignificant and thus no issues with barefooted employees. If there are then ----------?
p48 (who always sits at his desk with shoes removed-shame on him!)
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When it is warm enough I ALWAYS work barefoot in my office, in fact, often all I wear is a pair of shorts if the weather is warm! ;)
As I type, still barefoot now.
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Mick Noonan wrote:
For me, it's hard to take a barefoot person seriously, specifically because in most workplaces it's unprofessional. In the same way that you wouldn't expect to see a barefoot newsreader on TV.
Oh my goodness
1) news readers are naked from the waist down
2) never trust someone who isn't wearing sock suspenders, a knitted tie and leather elbow patches
3)....
I am glad there are a few breaking the stereo type!
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Anybody got contact details for either Sandie Shaw, Zola Budd or Mary Decker to get their views ?
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What I would like to know is has anyone in that office complained about the smell! There must be some environmental fallout surely?
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Paul's feet are a law unto themselves...His socks are an endangered species and the RSPCA are hunting him down...
I like to paint my toe nails on Fridays...
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Off topic I know but...Did you know... and this is true... Put it to the test..
Electricians who wear a blue sock on the left foot, a red sock on the right and a swimmers nose clamp are immune from death by electric shock. The statistics prove this. Not one electrician has ever been recorded as dying dressed like this so it must be right?
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Ian B - My apologies for overlooking the question in your posting at #19. The answer to it is none - because the risk I envisaged in my comment at #16 was simply that of an unpleasant experience for any bare-footed person who happens to inadvertently tread in vomit on a floor. Moreover, perhaps you overlooked the smiley symbol which indicated that my comment was facetious. Some time ago I experimented with ways of displaying larger and more evident smileys on my postings, but seemed to be ever thwarted by how the forum's format system alters unlinked character spacings. :-(
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I am considering placing a sign over the entrance asking;
"WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?"
Some people seem to think that work is just an extension to their social/personal life and if I can do it at home I can do it in work.
FYI dont particularly have much opinion on being bare foot eitherway, provided its a safe environment to do so and their are no objections from others. I often give my feet a rest from the shoes but I dont share an office. I am currently sitting in the office in a suit and safety boots. Need to break them in!! :-)
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