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Mitch01  
#1 Posted : 19 July 2013 10:52:05(UTC)
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Mitch01

We've been advised to change Fire Action Notices form the standard written versions to a pictorial version. Is this someone's opinion are is this now mandatory? I've not heard of this before. Any replies will be gratefully received!!
Safety Smurf  
#2 Posted : 19 July 2013 11:02:56(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Mitch01 wrote:
We've been advised to change Fire Action Notices form the standard written versions to a pictorial version. Is this someone's opinion are is this now mandatory? I've not heard of this before. Any replies will be gratefully received!!
Hi Mitch, New one on me?? who is going to be reading them? General public or employees only who are familiar with their surroundings? Sounds like someone with little knowledge or an alterior motive.
Mitch01  
#3 Posted : 19 July 2013 12:07:33(UTC)
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Mitch01

Hello Safety Smurf, Many thanks for your response, have a good weekend!!
Nicola Kemmery  
#4 Posted : 19 July 2013 16:38:07(UTC)
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Nicola Kemmery

I am also not aware of any legal / guidance changes
garyc  
#5 Posted : 21 July 2013 21:14:42(UTC)
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garyc

If this is the case -could someone please clarify? Please
kenuk1  
#6 Posted : 23 July 2013 09:39:13(UTC)
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kenuk1

I've heard this before but there's no legislation as far as I can see, I'm pretty sure it was advisory on the fact that "in general" pictures speak a thousand words... As previously mentioned, if your system is effective, maintained and you and your employees/contractors/visitors are informed etc then there's no need to change? Do you mind me asking where this advice came from? Was it as part of a Fire Risk Assessment / review of?
kenuk1  
#7 Posted : 23 July 2013 09:48:48(UTC)
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kenuk1

Taken from a well known safety sign supplier.... Ever since the introduction of the Health and Safety (Safety Signs and Signals ) Regulations and BS5499, the world of safety signs has been about conveying messages through suitable pictograms and concise text. During a time of great panic the evacuee should be able to quickly review and understand what to do next. As such, pictorial fire action safety signs like these would be preferable. Prior to purchasing any such fire action sign, the buyer should ask themselves two questions. Firstly, is there a lift in the building? If there is not, it is pointless delaying the evacuee further by making them read an additional line of text. Secondly, will the fire brigade be automatically dialled? In both cases the sign selected should be appropriate to that building’s circumstances. Think that sums it up really, and given the legislation doesn't seem to have any updates, I'd suggest you don't "need" to change the signs, it's a choice and/or dependent on your Risk Assessment...http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/341/contents/made
BJC  
#8 Posted : 23 July 2013 09:56:44(UTC)
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Nobody reads them but the Fire Authority are dead keen on them. If only the FAs were so keen on pressurizing, excuse the pun, the water boards to make sprinklers a viable option.
Route66  
#9 Posted : 23 July 2013 11:21:28(UTC)
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Route66

There is no legal requirement for Fire Action Notices (FAN) at all, let alone pictorial. You can read the RRFSO as many times as you like and won't find them mentioned. It states "emergency routes and exits must be indicated by signs" and it states that "... any non-automatic fire-fighting equipment ... is easily accessible, simple to use and indicated by signs". But there is no mention of FAN. Many companies only supply FAN with mention of Lifts, despite many buildings not having lifts. Yet as others have mentioned, Fire Authorities can get quiet anal about them being in a premises; more so than about Fire Extinguishers being signed, even though that is a legal requirement. Personally, I take the view that if an extinguisher can be easily identified from a reasonable distance, then it is 'signed' by its red colour prominence. What's the point in a 10x10 cm sign directly above a 60x20cm red extinguisher? I was in the Royal Air Force and I remember just after the RRFSO came into force having a conversation with an RAF Fire Service SNCO. At the time, the Defence Fire Service (DFS) was considering dropping the use of FAN as a cost saver, since there was no mention of them in the new legislation and all Service personnel and MOD Civil Servants received adequate annual fire training. The RAF element of the DFS, which had previously been independent, but then forced to come under control of the Army DFS, was strongly opposed to this change, arguing that there were many casual civilian workers/contractors on MOD establishments, who did not receive annual training. As far as I'm aware, the FAN were retained. So, the Fire Action Notice is entirely up to you. I would argue that it is part of the Risk Assessment.
John M  
#10 Posted : 19 August 2013 20:23:17(UTC)
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John M

"Fire Authorities", "Water Boards" - come on you so called professionals at least get their titles correct! Beginning to sound like Estate agents. Jon
davidjohn#1  
#11 Posted : 19 August 2013 21:11:50(UTC)
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davidjohn#1

You can read the RRFSO as many times as you like and won't find them mentioned. It states "emergency routes and exits must be indicated by signs" and it states that "... any non-automatic fire-fighting equipment ... is easily accessible, simple to use and indicated by signs". But there is no mention of FAN. Yet as others have mentioned, Fire Authorities can get quiet anal about them being in a premises; more so than about Fire Extinguishers being signed, even though that is a legal requirement. Route66, where in the RRO it states that "any non-automatic fire fighting equipment is easily accessible, simple to use and indicated by signs" could it be interpreted that the signage on the extinguisher to be sufficient in complying with this statement? is there a difference between a sign on the wall or on the actual extinguisher body that gives the same detail and keeps signage costs down. obviously if the extinguisher is in a cupboard or not easily visible then yes a sign may be required. Are you saying it's a legal requirement in the RRO or signs and signals regs?
mssy  
#12 Posted : 20 August 2013 13:59:01(UTC)
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mssy

DavidJohn#1 wrote:
Route66, where in the RRO it states that "any non-automatic fire fighting equipment is easily accessible, simple to use and indicated by signs" could it be interpreted that the signage on the extinguisher to be sufficient in complying with this statement? is there a difference between a sign on the wall or on the actual extinguisher body that gives the same detail and keeps signage costs down. obviously if the extinguisher is in a cupboard or not easily visible then yes a sign may be required. Are you saying it's a legal requirement in the RRO or signs and signals regs?
David, have a look at my post on the 'fire extinguisher signs' thread. The extinguish ID signs are only required 'where necessary'. Therefore if they are not obvious (hidden by curtain or in a box) signs are required. If they are obvious, they are not
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