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TFCSM  
#1 Posted : 05 September 2013 21:35:46(UTC)
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TFCSM

Hello, I'm trying to find the above info to assist a client in an epidemiological study. I'm having zero success, anyone able to point me in the right direction?
Graham Bullough  
#2 Posted : 06 September 2013 14:13:28(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

TFCSM The dearth of responses to your thread might be because most forum users are unfamiliar with the abbreviations in its title. Though I've long known MVR to mean 'motor vehicle repairs' this may not be what you mean. As for AFR, a quick internet search reveals numerous possibilities including 'accidental faecal release', though this is probably not the meaning you had in mind! Try adding some information to improve your chance of getting some helpful replies.
paulw71  
#3 Posted : 06 September 2013 14:23:09(UTC)
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paulw71

I would imagine its "accident frequency rate" however I dont think issues related to dermatitis would be classed as accidents and would be more related to occupational health statistics.
TFCSM  
#4 Posted : 06 September 2013 14:32:09(UTC)
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TFCSM

Cheers gents, It was indeed Motor Vehicle Repair (MVR) and Accident Frequency Rates (AFR). Anyway, I found this which I recon will assist... http://www.hse.gov.uk/mv...atistics/injurystats.htm As for using the abbreviations, it is a forum visited by professional who I would expect would know what they were. Anybody that didn't know could easily (insert search engine here) it. Once, again - cheers. TTFN (ta ta for now)
redken  
#5 Posted : 06 September 2013 14:44:27(UTC)
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redken

TFCSM wrote:
As for using the abbreviations, it is a forum visited by professional who I would expect would know what they were. Anybody that didn't know could easily (insert search engine here) it. Once, again - cheers. TTFN (ta ta for now)
This forum is open to the public.
paulw71  
#6 Posted : 06 September 2013 14:52:22(UTC)
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paulw71

redken wrote:
TFCSM wrote:
As for using the abbreviations, it is a forum visited by professional who I would expect would know what they were. Anybody that didn't know could easily (insert search engine here) it. Once, again - cheers. TTFN (ta ta for now)
This forum is open to the public.
But is used more by H&S professionals. I would not expect someone without more than a passing interest in health and safety to understand those abbreviations so I can see TFCSM`s point. (that said the comment was slightly disparaging)
TFCSM  
#7 Posted : 06 September 2013 15:08:06(UTC)
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TFCSM

paulw71 wrote:
I dont think issues related to dermatitis would be classed as accidents and would be more related to occupational health statistics.
Sorry, I missed this, what do you mean?
redken wrote:
This forum is open to the public.
Yes, and with respect to the public I wasn't asking them I was asking fellow professionals that may have the knowledge to assist.
paulw71  
#8 Posted : 06 September 2013 15:20:10(UTC)
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paulw71

TFCSM wrote:
paulw71 wrote:
I dont think issues related to dermatitis would be classed as accidents and would be more related to occupational health statistics.
Sorry, I missed this, what do you mean?
redken wrote:
This forum is open to the public.
Yes, and with respect to the public I wasn't asking them I was asking fellow professionals that may have the knowledge to assist.
I mean that you may have more luck looking at occupational health statistics rather than AFR`s when it comes to epidermilogical matters.
TFCSM  
#9 Posted : 06 September 2013 15:56:21(UTC)
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TFCSM

Epidemiological Analysis does not just cover occupational health, it can be applied to anything which requires the study of data. The AFR is what I needed and has given me the data to assist my client.
redken  
#10 Posted : 06 September 2013 15:56:33(UTC)
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redken

Originally Posted by: TFCSMYes, and with respect to the public I wasn' Go to Quoted Post
You were asking the forum. And by the way this is what you get if as you suggest you use a search engine. "It was also confirmed that female gender, atrial fibrillation (AFR), and MVR method negatively affected the physical and mental components "
paulw71  
#11 Posted : 06 September 2013 16:00:20(UTC)
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paulw71

Good. I am happy that you have found the information you required. Have a nice day !!
Jake  
#12 Posted : 06 September 2013 16:05:40(UTC)
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Jake

TFCSM wrote:
As for using the abbreviations, it is a forum visited by professional who I would expect would know what they were. Anybody that didn't know could easily (insert search engine here) it.
I'm a "professional" but not familiar with the term MVR. Anyone could of course google the term but in reality (and speaking for myself) I really can’t be bothered to, which results in less response to your topics. If you want to maximise discussion / help - don't use acronyms :-)
TFCSM  
#13 Posted : 06 September 2013 16:23:06(UTC)
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TFCSM

Seeing as this thread has been kicked a little sideways. Maybe you abbreviation haters could assist myself and other forum users. Should we now type the following out in full? HASAW COSHH LOLER PUWER ACOP HSG CAR etc or any other abbreviation? H&S (Health and Safety) is full of abbreviations and they are recognised by most on here. If I post requesting assistance with MVR and someone doesn't know what it means, then it is likely that that person does not have the required knowledge to assist me or anyone else with a query. If they then go on to find out what it means then they have learnt something new - where is the harm in that, and possibly they may look further into it and be able to add it to their CPD (Am I allowed to use that?)
paulw71  
#14 Posted : 06 September 2013 16:30:35(UTC)
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paulw71

lol
Jake  
#15 Posted : 06 September 2013 16:40:37(UTC)
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Jake

paulw71 wrote:
lol
Lots of Love? ;-)
chris.packham  
#16 Posted : 06 September 2013 16:43:40(UTC)
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chris.packham

When using acronyms it is always wise to consider how others might interpret them. I have recently had a help with a suspected outbreak of occupational skin disease among CEOs. My initial reaction was: "Why should chief executive officers be developing occupational skin disease?" It turns out that in local government parlance these are Civil Enforcement Officers. (You might think of them as CPAs = car park attendants!) Yes. I know it is Friday, but this was real! Chris
wjp62  
#17 Posted : 06 September 2013 16:44:12(UTC)
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wjp62

WOW... someone has thrown their toys out of the pram.....
Jane Blunt  
#18 Posted : 06 September 2013 16:52:42(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

TFCSM wrote:
Seeing as this thread has been kicked a little sideways. Maybe you abbreviation haters could assist myself and other forum users. Should we now type the following out in full? HASAW COSHH LOLER PUWER ACOP HSG CAR etc or any other abbreviation? H&S (Health and Safety) is full of abbreviations and they are recognised by most on here. If I post requesting assistance with MVR and someone doesn't know what it means, then it is likely that that person does not have the required knowledge to assist me or anyone else with a query. If they then go on to find out what it means then they have learnt something new - where is the harm in that, and possibly they may look further into it and be able to add it to their CPD (Am I allowed to use that?)
No, I wouldn't expect you to spell them out. These are commonly used safety abbreviations. However, MVR is not, and searching for data and statistics in a particular industry might well be within the expertise of someone not in that industry.
B.Bruce  
#19 Posted : 06 September 2013 16:52:49(UTC)
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B.Bruce

Is this a Friday thread?? lol I work in the Motor Vehicle Trade and would not have automatically thought that was what you meant. In fact, asking colleagues about MVR drew blank faces. The use of abbreviations should be carefully considered - Jake hit the nail on the head.
chris.packham  
#20 Posted : 06 September 2013 17:44:59(UTC)
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chris.packham

And of course the same acronym can have different meanings to different people. Some time ago a colleague of mine was asked for a recommendation for gloves to wear when handling PCBs. As an industrial chemist with expertise in gloves and knowing something about the industry in which his client worked his immediate thought was for gloves for polychlorinated biphenyls (nasty things!). Client was confused by the recommendation. Conversation revealed that PCBs for him mean printed circuit boards. Chris
Graham Bullough  
#21 Posted : 06 September 2013 18:22:49(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

On a minor point (perhaps another metaphorical toy to be thrown out of or into the pram!) please could people desist from confusing abbreviations with acronyms? Abbreviations comprise shortened versions of a word, e.g. "prof" for professor, or a set of letters derived from the initial letters of two or more words or names, e.g. "HSE" for Health & Safety Executive, and "TTFN" as used above by TFCSM (evidently another abbreviation!) at #4. (To be really precise/extra-pedantic, an abbreviation derived from initial letters is an initialism.) An acronym is an abbreviation which forms a recognisable/sayable word e.g. 'SWORD' for Surveillance of Work-related & Occupational Respiratory Disease. As for MVR, my earlier interpretation of it stemmed from my time with HSE and seeing it commonly used as the activity abbreviation for motor vehicle repair garages. Otherwise I risked finding other interpretations, either inspired or plain wacky, such as Mechanical Vapour Recompression, Multimodal Virtual Reality, Microscopic Vasectomy Reversal, Manfred Von Richthofen (probably the first time that he's graced the pages of this forum), Mesenteric Vascular Resistance, mean ventricular rate, measles vaccination rate, Mitral Valve Reconstruction, Maximum Vibration Reduction, Manufacturing Validation Review and Magmas & Volcanic Rocks ! :-) TFCSM - The digressive responses your thread has reaped so far aren't providing the information you seek. However, at least they're helping to keep your thread near the top of forum listing page 1 where more people are likely to see it!
Martin Gray  
#22 Posted : 06 September 2013 19:17:59(UTC)
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Martin Gray

TFCMS The HSE has a specialist forum MVR which as pointed out stands for Motor Vehicle Repair. The group are involved in many areas of Motor Vehicle repair and have produced HSG 261 guidance for Motor Vehicle Repair and Associated Industries. The Forum are due to meet in 2 weeks time and if you would like the a question asked about Accident Frequency Rates let me know and I will raise this when I attend. Martin
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