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daveyh73  
#1 Posted : 12 September 2013 10:56:25(UTC)
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daveyh73

Hi All, My very first post on the IOSH forum or any forum for that matter! I am only 2 years into my H&S career and have enjoyed the steep learning curve and also the changes to legislation, but I have a question with the regards to the up coming RIDDOR changes. According to the new guidance on the HSE website "Reportable injuries (including deaths) do not have to be automatically reported, but must be reported if they occur as the result of a work-related accident". However on another one of their web pages they state that: There are no significant changes to the reporting requirements for: Fatal accidents. Accidents to non-workers (members of the public). Accidents which result in the incapacitation of a worker for more than seven days. This has left me slightly confused with the requirements as to how soon you would report work related fatalities and specified injuries to workers. So I suppose my question really is how soon would these accidents be reported to the centre via phone or online? Thanks for your help in advance.
Phil W  
#2 Posted : 12 September 2013 12:53:01(UTC)
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Phil W

Hi Daveyh - my understanding of the draft guidance is that there is no change to the speed or method of reporting work related fatalities and the newly named specified injuries to workers. Such incidents should be reported via phone to the Incident Contact Centre on 0845 300 9923 (opening hours Monday to Friday 8.30 am to 5 pm). Out of hours an out of hours duty officer will take the call. Phil W
daveyh73  
#3 Posted : 12 September 2013 13:09:45(UTC)
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daveyh73

Thank you Phil The confusion arose with the wording of "do not have to be automatically reported". It did make me think how would they be investigated if not reported asap. Thanks again, Dave.
redken  
#4 Posted : 12 September 2013 13:10:47(UTC)
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redken

The phrase"do not have to be automatically reported" is misleading. They are only trying to emphasise that it must be work related. The psoition is: http://www.hse.gov.uk/riddor/when-do-i-report.htm In cases of death or major injuries, you must notify the enforcing authority without delay, most easily by reporting online. Alternatively, you can telephone 0845 300 9923. Cases of over-seven day injuries must be notified within fifteen days of the incident, using the appropriate online form
djupnorth  
#5 Posted : 16 September 2013 14:02:31(UTC)
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djupnorth

Daveyh73, Only deaths, major injuries, etc. that a) arise as a result of an "accident" and b) "arise out of or in connection with work" need to be reported. By definition, certain deaths will not be accidental e.g. a death in a hospital, nursing home, etc. that results from pseudomonas is not an accident (albeing it may be held to have arisen out of or in connection with work). Other deaths, which result from an accident, e.g. RTI while commuting to/from work are accidents, but they do not arise out of or in connection with work. It can be tricky sometimes to determine whether or not something is RIDDOR reportable but it is important to get it right, particularly if your employer wants to avoid a costly and time consuming police/HSE investigation. I hope this helps. Regards. DJ
Clairel  
#6 Posted : 16 September 2013 14:19:18(UTC)
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Clairel

I'm not sure it is difficult to determine whether something is reportable as long as you stick to the principle of 'arise out of or in connection with a work activity'. I definitely think the original OP is getting confused over wording. Nothing in relation to fatalities has changed. If a fatality occurs as a result of work activity then it reportable to the HSE immediately. EG Someone drops dead of a heart attack at work. Not reportable unless they were doing something that could have been the cause of the heart attack and then a judgement call will have to be made based on circumstances. Someone gets knocked over by a fork lift truck in the yard and dies. Reportable immediately.
gotogmca  
#7 Posted : 16 September 2013 16:22:47(UTC)
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gotogmca

Hi Davey, I have always worked on the principle of informing the HSE as soon as you are aware. Like ClaireL says fatalities are reported immediately. However, RIDDOR reportable over 7 day injuries can be different. If you know it is going to be over 7 days shortly after the accident then report it then, otherwise you may need to wait until the 7 days is up.
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