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corrinaevans  
#1 Posted : 11 September 2013 13:40:36(UTC)
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corrinaevans

A challenge for you trainers out there ! I am providing some training for a garage who say they want to be compliant with H & S legislation but are too busy running the business to give me the time I need (bearing in mind they have had no H & S training at all) so I am starting with an hours H & S awareness session for all staff, this needs to be punchy, to the point and get them to sit up and take notice. I have taken photos around their work shops and these are going on the PP, I have case studies and stats from HSE including deaths and major injuries in their industry and of course have a severed arm for a prop and some gory photos to illustrate the points I am making. Any thing else I can do? I put my heart and soul into training and recognise that we don't have the most exciting subject in the world although I have been told that my enthusiasm is infectious but the challenge here is to get through to people who are busy and despite having had no H & S input have been lucky enough to have no incidents. Any suggestions much appreciated.
Canopener  
#2 Posted : 11 September 2013 14:29:09(UTC)
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Canopener

The situation you describe is unfortunately not uncommon, especially in smaller businesses. Rather than they want to comply, it might be more accurate for them to say that don’t want to expose themselves unduly to either criminal (inc FFI) or civil liabilities; there is a subtle difference between the 2. Of course the thing that neither NEBOSH nor IOSH, do, or perhaps can do, is to teach the difference between what the law ‘strictly’ requires and what you can (hopefully)do in order to keep yourselves ‘out of trouble’. I am personally not too keen on the ‘gory’ approach, but each to their own, and depending on your target audience this might be more effective than other methods. The bottom line for most companies, especially the smaller one’s is how much does this cost, what am I going to get out of it, and is it worth it? The answer is often – time will tell! For the most part, I would tend to focus on the economic benefits of the company investing in some relatively simple and targeted health and safety improvements over a period of time, targeting those areas of highest risk first, but keeping a sense of proportion. Look to try and make changes that are relatively easy to achieve, that are ‘visible’ (that they and their staff will recognise as an immediate benefit) and which don’t cost too much. Create on on-going programme of ‘step change’ that is achievable and which the company are going to be willing to go along with and invest in to make things better. Good luck.
corrinaevans  
#3 Posted : 11 September 2013 14:48:19(UTC)
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corrinaevans

Thank you for your response. You are right it is very much going to be baby steps, 2 others have preceded me and given up! The employees seem to want me around and a couple of them have offered their services to set up a training area for me etc so I shall work with them to get some internal support, the coffee and muffins I provide for my 'helpers' seem to be encouraging further assistance.
Mr.Flibble  
#4 Posted : 11 September 2013 15:11:18(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

Free food works every time, if they remember nothing else they remember that (I used to use jam doughnuts for demonstrating a slip disc for Manual Handling training!). For LAW a Chocolate Orange works quite well. The Orange as a whole is the Health & Safety at Work Act, the segments are different regulations. Of course no good for diabetics or those on a diet!
frankc  
#5 Posted : 11 September 2013 15:37:55(UTC)
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frankc

corrinaevans wrote:
A challenge for you trainers out there ! I am providing some training for a garage who say they want to be compliant with H & S legislation but are too busy running the business to give me the time I need (bearing in mind they have had no H & S training at all) so I am starting with an hours H & S awareness session for all staff, this needs to be punchy, to the point and get them to sit up and take notice. I have taken photos around their work shops and these are going on the PP, I have case studies and stats from HSE including deaths and major injuries in their industry and of course have a severed arm for a prop and some gory photos to illustrate the points I am making. Any thing else I can do? I put my heart and soul into training and recognise that we don't have the most exciting subject in the world although I have been told that my enthusiasm is infectious but the challenge here is to get through to people who are busy and despite having had no H & S input have been lucky enough to have no incidents. Any suggestions much appreciated.
Horses for courses really and the one size fits all probably won't keep everyone happy or interested - regardless of what food you put on. ;-) As for the 'grease monkeys', highlight the need for barrier creams/PPE by way of the nights out with their lady friends (or partners) if you want to be PC. I'm not a lover of the gory pics either. Some show their scars like a badge of honour. Managers, supervisors - outline more of the legal side with their responsibilities.
declangibney  
#6 Posted : 12 September 2013 16:20:23(UTC)
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declangibney

Corrine - we have undoubedly all faced similar clients at some stage - want to "buy" legal compliance at the cheapest price. My concern is that you appear to be almost bribing people to do what they are leaglly obliged to do and the owner(s) must be made aware of their legal obligations to manage H&S as a priority. You are not "doing them a favour" nor are they doing you one - you are a professional offering a professional service and it takes time to deliver - take it or leave it. As an aside, my experience of such business is that they are often most difficult to extract payment from when the "necessary evil" has been completed and the proof is on file - beware!
Clairel  
#7 Posted : 12 September 2013 16:36:52(UTC)
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Clairel

declangibney wrote:
My concern is that you appear to be almost bribing people to do what they are leaglly obliged to do and the owner(s) must be made aware of their legal obligations to manage H&S as a priority. You are not "doing them a favour" nor are they doing you one - you are a professional offering a professional service and it takes time to deliver - take it or leave it.
What nonsense. If I took that approach what clients I would be kicked out the door. At least 50% of our job is communication skills. The knowledge bit is easy it's getting the message across in a a way that doesn't turn people off that's the hard bit. It sounds like you're saying that it's the employees that this is for not the bosses. In which case forget the whole money / FFI thing. I usually start by briefly trying to dispel their pre-conceived ideas about what health and safety is and isn't. Not lots of paperwork and can't do's but sensible everyday stuff. Most people are surprised by what they see as common sense being actually part of health and safety. I would certainly mention their legal duties and the consequences (I'm lucky that as an ex-enforcer I can talk about cases I took). Don't try to cover everything in one go. Stick to a few key points and try and get those messages across rather than overwhelm them with details and facts. NO STATISTICS! Make it real to them and their environment. Personally I find stories work, personal anecdotes etc. Then try and get them to tell about accidents or near misses they have had. Then use that to step into a subject. Most importantly just try and not come across as some tick boxing, clipboard manic. It's just sensible stuff that in their hearts they probably already know anyway. However, sometimes there are groups of people that just don't want to listen or just want to argue. Not a lot you can do about that and except do your best.
Mandy Ellis  
#8 Posted : 12 September 2013 22:26:44(UTC)
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Mandy Ellis

I work in the Automotive Sector and I personally would get them up out of their seats and allow them time to carry out an inspection of their workplace, even to just list the risks/hazards that they find due to the time frame. They will walk past hazards everyday and see things as the norm - you could then discuss their findings and encourage them to find ways to remove them, perhaps using a flip chart to ask them to identify the risk rating (High, Medium, Low) so they understand their potential to cause harm. This will also highlight the need for your support, if the bosses are provided with a report following your session. It will also identify the training they need as a follow on: for example First Aid, most garages I have visited have opened, used eye wash bottles, not knowing it is sterile and needs to be thrown away once used. Also LEV requirements, chemical cabinets/Safety data sheets, oil spillages, hazardous waste, petrol drainage, PPE, Refrigerant Handling, welding........ All the best, Mandy
bob youel  
#9 Posted : 13 September 2013 07:25:16(UTC)
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bob youel

Get them to organise the training when the day to day works are complete e.g. after 16:30 / Saturday PM etc. as if they are really interested then they will agree to this if they do not agree I advise that you walk away as they are not really interested. And take note of the good comment from 'declangibney' as you are in business after all!
corrinaevans  
#10 Posted : 25 September 2013 11:44:30(UTC)
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corrinaevans

Thank you all for your comments, the training went really well, I got a spontaneous round of applause at the end of the session-this may be related to the fact that I put the boss in handcuffs during the session ! I had taken on board the advice people had given and adapted it to this work place. I have been paid and am now signed up for the year, there has since been a flurry of activity and the boss stated that he feels they are 300% better than a month ago. I am under no illusions that this is going to be easy but we are all singing from the same hymn sheet now and have an action plan that has been led by the employees. There appears to be light at the end of this particular tunnel (unless it's another train coming.....). Thanks once again for the helpful and positive comments.
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