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David T  
#1 Posted : 03 September 2013 08:15:20(UTC)
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David T

Hi We are updating our verbal fire alarm sounders, is there a specific message that we have to state legally? Many thanks
MEden380  
#2 Posted : 03 September 2013 13:54:23(UTC)
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MEden380

Sorry for this "Don't Panic Mr Mannering"
Canopener  
#3 Posted : 03 September 2013 15:45:14(UTC)
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Canopener

I don't think that there is David, although I am sure that the fire safety 'experts' will tell you the 'correct' answer! And although it's not Friday yet, I love the response at #2 - any more takers?
Clairel  
#4 Posted : 03 September 2013 15:53:34(UTC)
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Clairel

I also think the response at #2 is the best answer. However, how about something along the lines of: you, yes I mean you, get out of the building, there's a fire, no I don't mean make that last phone call or email first, get out of the building now before you burn alive and I tell everyone at your inquest what an idiot you were for ignoring the fire alarm in the first place. What do you think? Too harsh??
wjp62  
#5 Posted : 03 September 2013 16:51:52(UTC)
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wjp62

You may want to look at BS 5839-8:2013 Fire detection and fire alarm systems for buildings – Part 8: Code of practice for the design, installation, commissioning and maintenance of voice alarm systems
wjp62  
#6 Posted : 03 September 2013 17:22:51(UTC)
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wjp62

Forgot to add section 20 Emergency messages
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#7 Posted : 03 September 2013 19:42:26(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

I had the pleasure on Saturday to attend the wedding of one of my nieces. The service was held in the most delightful tiny stone church, way out in the country and miles from anywhere. It was a lovely day. Several hundred years old, the church was charming in its simplicity, stone built and not much more than 5 x 25m though it should probably have been measured in cubits. Before the ceremony, one of the church officials welcomed us all then proceeded to give a health & safety introduction! "They had only one escape route that was the door through which we had entered." "The assembly point in the event of an evacuation was at the far end of the quaint little church yard." "There was no alarm system, and in the event of a fire someone would shout FIRE" At that point, I turned to my wife. Instantly, I received a sharp elbow into my ribs, and a withering look. How did she know I was thinking about asking if the warning would have a mortal origin or if it was expected to come from above?
Andrew W Walker  
#8 Posted : 03 September 2013 19:49:39(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

ian.blenkharn wrote:
"There was no alarm system, and in the event of a fire someone would shout FIRE" At that point, I turned to my wife. Instantly, I received a sharp elbow into my ribs, and a withering look. How did she know I was thinking about asking if the warning would have a mortal origin or if it was expected to come from above?
Thanks for that Ian. Having been here since 8.30 this morning I needed that to put a smile on my face!! Andy
Graham Bullough  
#9 Posted : 03 September 2013 20:58:45(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

I like the theme of Clairel's suggestion at #4. It's tempting to add the following to it: "Don't start phoning the switchboard to ask if it's a real fire or just a practice or false alarm, - and if you really must use your mobile to phone, use twitter or send text messages and tell lots of people about the evacuation, wait until you get to the muster area - don't dilly-dally on the way! My suggested addition is admittedly long-winded, rather like Clairel's suggestion itself! However, in view of how some people do react to evacuation alerts nowadays, I strongly think its two points should be included somehow in a verbal fire alarm message. Also, thanks to Ian for his posting at #7, partly for the humour and also as a reassurance that I'm not alone as a forum user who gets withering looks from a spouse/partner. Though I don't get too many from my wife, their context is such that they usually imply 'You're not at work now so keep quiet / don't get involved!'
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#10 Posted : 04 September 2013 13:27:11(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

I think I was luck to get away with a withering look and an elbow, and not a thunderbolt from above! I'm an atheist so being in a church is generally restricted to weddings and funerals. However, it was certainly the first time I've been welcomed with a formal H&S briefing.
kevkel  
#11 Posted : 04 September 2013 13:33:33(UTC)
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kevkel

Would love to see Priests/Vicars do the airline safety briefing at the begining of each service!
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#12 Posted : 04 September 2013 14:09:58(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

It was not dissimilar. The lady stood just in front of the alter, on the raised dais, and faced the congregation with arms raised, not in praise of her God but to point to the escape route should fire and brimstone rain down upon us.
NickH  
#13 Posted : 04 September 2013 14:25:28(UTC)
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NickH

I would love to see a 'Fire and Brimstone' risk assessment.
DavidGault  
#14 Posted : 04 September 2013 15:47:38(UTC)
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DavidGault

There have been some psychological stuies that have shown it is advantageous to have a woman's voice giving fire alarm messages. Apparently it helps with a calm and orderly response and evacuation. I don't believe there are any phrases that are required in the legal sense as per your question,
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#15 Posted : 04 September 2013 16:46:03(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

I imagine that a liturgy beginning "Oh God, there's a fire" would probably be effective. But regrettably, the Quaker Liturgy of Silence would certainly not
CRN Baker  
#16 Posted : 04 September 2013 16:53:22(UTC)
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CRN Baker

Quakers are allowed to speak when they "quake" so whether from fear or divine intervention I sincerely hope someone at my local Meeting would speak!!
firesafety101  
#17 Posted : 05 September 2013 00:08:02(UTC)
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firesafety101

There's a 1960's record by The Crazy World of Arthur Brown that may do the trick. Entitled FIRE. Those of you too young to have heard it try Youtube, played at maximum volume I don't think anybody would wish to remain inside the premises.
mssy  
#18 Posted : 05 September 2013 16:59:16(UTC)
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mssy

Firesafety101 wrote:
There's a 1960's record by The Crazy World of Arthur Brown that may do the trick. Entitled FIRE. Those of you too young to have heard it try Youtube, played at maximum volume I don't think anybody would wish to remain inside the premises.
I saw the somewhat eccentric Arthur Brown perform this number live at a free festival on an old airfield in Wiltshire during the summer of 1975. Naturally there were some pyrotechnics to accompany this tune which involved him spitting out paraffin (?) over a flaming torch so that the scaffolding/timber and canvas stage was filled with a huge fireball and burning liquid was dripping down under the stage. Happy days - before H&S came along a spoiled the fun :)
Mr Insurance  
#19 Posted : 05 September 2013 17:22:55(UTC)
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Mr Insurance

Ian, If you sometimes attended Christenings as well as weddings and funerals, you would be what is known in church circles as a member of the "Hatch, Match and Despatch brigade"!
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#20 Posted : 05 September 2013 19:41:57(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

Though I was astounded to be given a health and safety briefing before a wedding (no sexist jokes from the chaps please, it upsets the little ladies!) at least I was offered some facts, unnecessary as they were. In my view, though its not the view of everyone, the rest of the service was entirely well-intentioned but predicated on beliefs unsupported by evidence. That gives me reason to disbelieve, but each to their own. I thought hatch, match and despatch was more the description of the announcements column of The Times? But then, I often read and enjoy The Times, but not so with places of worship.
hilary  
#21 Posted : 13 September 2013 11:51:03(UTC)
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hilary

CRN Baker wrote:
Quakers are allowed to speak when they "quake" so whether from fear or divine intervention I sincerely hope someone at my local Meeting would speak!!
I am quite sure someone at your meeting will speak, as they would have at the meeting I used to attend. Speaking is supposed to be when one feels "moved to" and I am quite certain that if there was a fire I would feel moved to and I would claim it was by divine intervention as well!
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