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I am MSc qualified and have completed an 18 month leadership development programme. I have been unsuccessful in two posts primarily because the employer (a university and a Dorset Borough Council ) wanted someone who would basically report to HR in a sub ordinate manner.
I have genuinely believed if you work hard and develop yourself you will be successful but find that to have someone with valuable skills is not appreciated in the uks race to be worst.
Has anyone else had this problem and how can you hide this side of yourself without looking stupid. Any thoughts?
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It is the employer who decides whether your skills are valuable or not. If your reasons for failure are correct then you simply did not fit the profile. The job may have been a relatively low level position. Nothing to do with low standards per se. If, as I suspect, you are seeking a more senior level appointment or direct report situation then you simply need to keep looking; trying to hide anything is unlikely to bring success.
If I accept that your justification for your failure is correct then I can share my experiences with you. I would say that working from within HR is a common situation in many large employers. Most HR staff are also highly qualified these days and in my experience working alongside HR professionals is a mutually beneficial experience for both parties and a good way to be successful in OSH. Thus leading to improved management of OHS. So, far from signalling that OSH is not important it actually strengthens the case.
And of course, once in post you can always demonstrate and convince others that the structure would benefit from change----and you know just the person to fill the new position;-)
Good luck with the search
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'Work hard and develop yourself' is a fair principle for living, according to Sigmund Freud (he also recommended 'Love').
Outcomes in any venture depend on objectives and luck; in any human venture beyond the (essential) operative level, they also depend on how effectively you influence those in authority and in control as well as what you learn from feedback.
The structure of reporting in a healthy organisation rarely results in repeated failures as illustrated by John Harvey Jones who started his path to Chairman of (then) ICI in the Purchasing function.
Two practical things you can do at this stage: 1. familiarise yourself with rigorous research on influencing others especially with 'emotional intelligence' 2. get feedback of your scores on the Hogan Personality Inventory (or Ashton & Lee's HEXACO personality inventory) and the Hogan Development Survey: even if you have to pay for it, it could transform for the better how you communicate about yourself and others in your search for wok.
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I'd say you were just unlucky with you choice of employers. Based on the experiences of H&S friends those are two areas I'd make a point of avoiding if I was job hunting.
Find an employer that is obliged to take H&S more seriously - the private sector
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I concur with Walker, I'd personally never work in those industries (being the work hard play hard type..).
I've never reported to HR so can't comment, but within the orgs I've worked (both multi-national) I'm quite glad I don't/haven’t!
However, even in private organisations sometimes you just have to adapt (adaptability is a key skill) and except that not every employer is perfect. This is the ethos I have taken and it's served me (and my career) well to date.
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Thomas, I work in the private sector and have reported to HR for nearly 9 years. It is not the ideal relationship but as Jake says I have adapted. In fact now its tends to be a functional relationship in terms of annual reviews, etc and the majority of times I am my own boss and link in with the relevant managers on site. For me it works well.
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Thanks to all of you for your feedback.
Ironically I work in an HR environment ATM although to a financial manager who is very astute posing difficult but sensible questions . I am actually in local government..... Pete you are right ..I am looking for a more senior position hence the leadership training course..
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