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Safetrain  
#1 Posted : 13 September 2013 14:30:22(UTC)
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Safetrain

I work in an organisation where multi teams are deployed doing landscaping / maintenance works. All jobs are risk assessed and all sites are temporary but should the risk assessment for each site be on-site? Thoughts please...
bob youel  
#2 Posted : 13 September 2013 15:59:19(UTC)
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bob youel

Not always necessary in my view as long as managers and staff know of them and the resulting procedures etc.
Reed21854  
#3 Posted : 13 September 2013 16:29:53(UTC)
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Reed21854

Hello there The question might arise about how do you communicate the risk assessment to the people doing the job. This could be covered at a kick off meeting at the start of the day where the Supervisor records and talks about the main hazards and controls for the work and gets everyone to sign something to say they have understood
Kim Hedges  
#4 Posted : 14 September 2013 02:21:44(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

Agree with Reed. I'm struggling with the question, do you mean making the RA on site in the first place or making a guess of what is on the site without actually going to the site to do the inspection in person?
bentonsr  
#5 Posted : 14 September 2013 15:22:49(UTC)
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bentonsr

Agree with Kim, question is a bit confusing. The Risk Assessment should be written on the site it is written for, after all similar sites have differences and if your not at that particular site you will not spot the risks. If they are not left at that site, then you should ensure all staff working on site have been inducted on them and signed and dated them. Everything these days is about signatures and dates. I have know some companies to use generic Risk Assessments then use them at all sites, but I for one do not like these
David Thomas  
#6 Posted : 14 September 2013 16:44:54(UTC)
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David Thomas

In the waste industry the drive is on round / route assessment with case law in grounds maintenance/horticulture identifying the importance of site specific assessments. Generics are appropriate when identifying more strategic issues such as equipment selection and training needed.... I could go on at length .. Will respond to Amy pm s
David Thomas  
#7 Posted : 14 September 2013 16:45:58(UTC)
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David Thomas

Sorry predictive texts.. Any pms
Safetrain  
#8 Posted : 17 September 2013 14:32:13(UTC)
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Safetrain

Thanks for replies so far, sorry I was not very clear. The question is " should a hard copy of the risk assessment be present, on-site, at all times and available for inspection"? I've been trying to track down the legal position on this but so far no luck. The sites / tasks are risk assessed but the argument is; are they sufficient if the findings are made known to the supervisors and the RA's kept at base? Cheers
biker1  
#9 Posted : 17 September 2013 14:43:46(UTC)
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biker1

Presumably the operatives travel to and from sites, using perhaps vans etc? Might therefore be an idea to keep a copy of the relevant assessments in each van. The results of the assessments should be brought to the attention of the people at risk, doesn't necessarily mean they should have a copy with them at all times, but a copy available in the vans would give them the opportunity to gain access to check issues out, and could form the basis of supervisors' tool box talks without the supervisors having to carry masses of paperwork around with them. In terms of them being site specific, that would be the ideal, but not realistic in all cases. I have seen a system whereby a generic assessment is provided as a starting point, with the requirement for additional hazards to be detailed for specific sites. Works quite well providing people are brought on board and it is adequately policed.
Clairel  
#10 Posted : 17 September 2013 14:45:45(UTC)
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Clairel

I think it depends on how much they are at base and how much they are on site. For people that carry out most of their time working at different sites I often suggest a file kept in each van that contains generic RA's, if needed site specific RA (where any site specific issues are identified), any safe working procedures, checklists etc. I know someone else has said they don't like generic risk assessments but I disagree for the type of work that you are describing. Using a digger is using a digger. Issues such as slopes can either be addressed in a site specific assessment or as part of the generic risk assessment (eg, seat belts to be worn on slopes etc). Site inductions and site specific risk assessments are not necessarily practicable.But then I am assuming that you are not talking about significant construction sites here?
Kate  
#11 Posted : 18 September 2013 12:46:01(UTC)
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Kate

Safetrain, you asked about the legal requirement. You'll find this in Reg 10 of the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regs, which says (I paraphrase) that you have to inform employees about the risk assessment. There is no legal requirement for them to have the written risk assessment to hand anywhere (although obviously giving them a copy is a convneient way of informing them about it).
Peter Clifton  
#12 Posted : 18 September 2013 15:38:45(UTC)
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Peter Clifton

I have developed several single A4 risk assessments which our arb crews complete before the job starts. Found one on the internet a few years ago and I have multiple forms now - pregnancy, manual handling arboriculture, ladders, etc. They all tick the HSE "5 steps to risk assessment" checklist and can be completed in about 3 - 4 min. The quicker the paperwork, the best chance of someone filling it in. Persons Who could be Harmed across the top, then it's normally 4 horisontal columns across the top with 8 down the side. Each one of the 4 boxes has an increasing risk flowing down the page, e.g. weight 0.5kg (1 point), 1kg (2 points), 2kg (3 points) and so on. One number is circled in all 4 columns, then the 4 numbers are added up (no multiplication needed). This creates a risk number (with existing controls in place - there is a place for this on the form too). The risk number also transulates to Low (4-8), medium (9-15), high (16-25) vhigh (26-32). There is a space for "Additional Control Measures" (then you circle 4 numbers again). Date, review date and signature and job done!
Kate  
#13 Posted : 19 September 2013 06:43:57(UTC)
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Kate

Why would there be a review date for a risk assessment that is specific to one time and place as described?
Judd M  
#14 Posted : 19 September 2013 07:49:09(UTC)
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Judd M

I think you need to ask the question 'why wouldn't you have the RA on site', if an accident occurred or for any reason a HSE inspector was to visit the RA would be ask for, if it could not be produced at that time it could cause difficulties. If the team is van based there must be room for a folder with all the job information including the RA. I’ve done some work for a service company where the engineers are sent to sites and work from vans, for each job a ‘job pack’ is produced a lot of it is generic, but it details what has to be done and how. The RA is also generic with space on the form for the engineer to complete site specific information where the generic controls do not fit or are not sufficient. This type of approach works very well for a lot of this type of short duration multi-site work.
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