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splurge  
#1 Posted : 20 September 2013 12:33:15(UTC)
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splurge

On a recent 'short term' contract, I was concerned for the health of a fellow Safety Practitioner who was obese to the point of being disabled, as per ISO standards, ie. in eccess of 20kg of his ideal weight. Short walks left him breathless and imobile. Is he a liability to the project ?
Clairel  
#2 Posted : 20 September 2013 12:53:41(UTC)
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Clairel

Oh dear. I see some interesting responses to this. Batten the hatches.
A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 20 September 2013 13:14:55(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

So actually what was his job and how did his condition prevent him doing it? I suppose if his job involved 'walking the site' or teaching rope work methods then yes it could be a problem but if his job was mainly going risk assessments or providing advice on H&S regs or running a training course then what's the problem?
alexmccreadie13  
#4 Posted : 20 September 2013 13:22:34(UTC)
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alexmccreadie13

Splurge you have left yourself open here. If he can turn in do what is required of him then who can criticise his lifestyle? I have had both knees replaced I still climb Tower Cranes ,Ladders and scaffolds. I work at height using proper equipment. I do exactly what I am capable off, can't go to church because I can't kneel down! If the man can do his job let him get on with it or his there a hidden agenda here? Ta Alex
paul-ps  
#5 Posted : 20 September 2013 13:40:38(UTC)
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paul-ps

splurge wrote:
ie. in eccess of 20kg of his ideal weight.
If being inxs :) was an issue, i think most of us would be in trouble. How is he a liability to the project?
Jake  
#6 Posted : 20 September 2013 13:45:17(UTC)
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Jake

Give me a "T", give me a "R", give me a "O", give me a "L", give me a "L". Whats the name of this type of post ? TRRR.....
chris42  
#7 Posted : 20 September 2013 14:10:29(UTC)
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chris42

I'm so glad a fitness test was not part of the NEBOSH diploma, though the job does require getting over a number of hurdles. However I consider I have an advantage when footing a ladder :o)
Safety Smurf  
#8 Posted : 20 September 2013 14:20:38(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Health & Safety is a job. Not a way of life! Personally, I'm kept fit enough jumping to conclusions and climbing up walls. ;-)
Gunner1  
#9 Posted : 20 September 2013 14:39:34(UTC)
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Gunner1

Some would be pondering if this RIDDOR reportable?
Mr.Flibble  
#10 Posted : 20 September 2013 14:57:26(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

Should see the size of some of our drivers, but i do a nice slection of 4 & 5 xl high viz clothing :)
teh_boy  
#11 Posted : 20 September 2013 15:06:52(UTC)
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teh_boy

paul-ps wrote:
splurge wrote:
ie. in eccess of 20kg of his ideal weight.
If being inxs :) was an issue, i think most of us would be in trouble.
I don't see how being an Australian rock band comes into this :) Oh the joys of the troll... Is it Friday yet?
SP900308  
#12 Posted : 20 September 2013 15:08:56(UTC)
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SP900308

splurge, make your mind up.... are you concerned with his health or safety?
Clairel  
#13 Posted : 20 September 2013 16:15:58(UTC)
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Clairel

Jake wrote:
Give me a "T", give me a "R", give me a "O", give me a "L", give me a "L". Whats the name of this type of post ? TRRR.....
I'm so naive. I never clocked it could be one of ......them....
JohnWhyte  
#14 Posted : 20 September 2013 18:41:30(UTC)
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JohnWhyte

Airbrush his photo, stick it on a notice board and then get him do do everything via conference call. Simples... Problem solved ;-D
Palmer20061  
#15 Posted : 20 September 2013 21:31:36(UTC)
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Palmer20061

'as per ISO standards, ie. in eccess of 20kg of his ideal weight' There are ISO standards on obesity now? I'd missed that. ISO8888? What you have to do to get certified to the standard?
bob youel  
#16 Posted : 23 September 2013 07:16:59(UTC)
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bob youel

Irrespective of the various comments this is potentially a real and serious area and I for one have dealt with such issues in the past as somebody obviously 'different' [for want of a better word] may definitely add risk to the business and themselves; risk that is avoidable I have personally worked in areas where individuals who were obviously and dangerously overweight were not allowed to work and yep were not employed
Clairel  
#17 Posted : 23 September 2013 09:35:21(UTC)
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Clairel

Oh dear Bob. 'Different' is definitely not the right word. Overweight I think is a perfectly acceptable term. I just thought it may be opportune to say that there was news story a the weekend about the significant proportion of firefighters that not longer meet fitness requirements. I think in some jobs weight and fitness are very important and perhaps should form part of the contract. I want to know that a firefighter can get up those ladders and carry me out of a building if need be! In other jobs weight issues need to be taken into account. For example where a seat belt on a fork lift truck does not fit. But also not forgetting whether someone could evacuate quickly in the event of a fire. Weight issues undoubtedly affect some people doing their jobs and in an ideal world no one would be significantly overweight but unless weight and fitness is a barrier to carrying out the job (I'm sure there are many such jobs) all management can do is accommodate. Probably more of an issue is the fact that the obesity problem is having a huge and detrimental effect on the working lives of others.Emergency services, undertakers, health workers, care assistants. They all end up having to find ways to move those people once they can no longer move themselves. Often putting their own health and safety at risk in doing so.
andybz  
#18 Posted : 23 September 2013 11:47:27(UTC)
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andybz

Stagecoach made the news back in 2009 when they discovered some of their drivers exceeded the weight limit of the seats, which was 23 stone. http://www.telegraph.co....ey-will-break-seats.html And, there has been a lot of work offshore recently when calculations showed that lifeboats would be overloaded if ever needed. The reason being that the average weight per person used for calculating the number of lifeboats required was much less than the actual average weight of workers.
Talpidae  
#19 Posted : 03 October 2013 08:28:34(UTC)
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Talpidae

I read this thread as it was related to professionlism, since when was an excessive BMI unprofessional?
DavidGault  
#20 Posted : 03 October 2013 13:55:59(UTC)
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DavidGault

I have come across people who have had problems with their weight that have affected their work, though not safety professionals. In two cases that come to mind they broke their chairs and fell to the floor. There is effectively a safe working load for chairs that is around 19 stone in most cases. Thankfully neither individual was hurt. As for it being unprofessional; no, are we all supposed to be as fit as Mo Farah and personify fitness? No chance.
stephie  
#21 Posted : 04 October 2013 11:12:10(UTC)
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stephie

I worked for someone who "punished" those trying to stay healthy! (in a round about way ;). We were all asked to sign a revised contract stating that employees who have time off as a result of any injury which occurred while participating in a dangerous sport would not be paid sick leave... This new contract was brought in 1 month after I broke my ankle running and another colleague broke her elbow playing hockey :)
martin1  
#22 Posted : 04 October 2013 11:29:02(UTC)
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martin1

The last thing you need is some fatty blocking up the fire exit during an emergency.
SP900308  
#23 Posted : 04 October 2013 15:00:14(UTC)
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SP900308

martin1 wrote:
The last thing you need is some fatty blocking up the fire exit during an emergency.
Martin, I had to read that twice...... I'd hold out your wrists in preparation!
SP900308  
#24 Posted : 04 October 2013 15:08:46(UTC)
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SP900308

On a lighter note, being 'thick skinned' is a true attribute in our profession! Happy Friday all!
jarsmith83  
#25 Posted : 07 October 2013 16:34:19(UTC)
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jarsmith83

This thread has just made my day, on what has been a terrible Monday! I have been getting weird looks from everyone in the office at my sniggering every couple of posts :-)
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