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Tarasafety  
#41 Posted : 20 September 2013 18:47:12(UTC)
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Tarasafety

You entitled to your opinion Mick. But as ron mentions above, read the link and work from Cranfield Uni - your opinion may change, as mine did. I'm the coverted
Victor Meldrew  
#42 Posted : 20 September 2013 23:36:28(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew

pete48 wrote:
Not being allowed to answer coupled with anxiety about what the call may be about can easily lead to unsafe driving behaviour.
Sorry pete48, I just think this is another reason why such individuals should not be talking on a mobile phone via hands-free or otherwise – high risk persons – whereupon if they answer a call an anxious / worrying conversation may lead to a major accident / incident.
Victor Meldrew  
#43 Posted : 20 September 2013 23:38:11(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew

Mick Noonan wrote:
What’s the phone ever done to the car user that radio, sat nav et al hasn’t done before it?
Clairel has already answered the vast majority of your post Mick. I would just like to add to the above point that there is a major difference, between the phone and the other items, i.e. unpredictable and dynamic, that being a conversation between two people. Which can continually require decision making, every few seconds. Extremely high risk I would suggest.
Victor Meldrew  
#44 Posted : 20 September 2013 23:45:51(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew

Furthermore & to add to other postings, - yes ok this issue is really major with me, so apologies. I’m not a technophobe/technophile – quite the contrary, I love gadgets, I embrace technology & the changes that it requires, but I’m not about to put my life or anybody else’s at risk for the sake of somebody else wanting to talk to me whilst I'm driving, client/boss/family or otherwise – because that what it boils down to, it’s about priorities, planning ahead & changing behaviour. Sometimes a behaviour change happens via a disaster & the best supporters as we all know of putting individuals on the right path are those that have suffered, e.g. Ken Woodward & Ian Whittingham, God bless the latter. So do you or your fellow employees want to be the next Ken or Ian? Please don’t think that I’m whiter than white – ‘we’ sometimes think that ‘we’ are more important than ‘we’ are, everyone likes to be wanted / needed and I’ve spoken on the phone whilst driving in years gone by & got away with it, luckily. But to illustrate the point of mobile phone use / behaviour change, albeit nothing to do with driving is this; I remember some years ago now when as an employee of a Global Corporation, management role, cracking job, loved it, couldn’t get enough of work, never off the mobile phone. So, on holiday abroad with the missus, 25th wedding anniversary, you know earning all those brownie points, lazing by the pool etc. The mobile phone rings, I have to admit I had already taken a couple of work calls, when on this third occasion my good lady beat me to it & sent the phone for a ‘swim’ if you get my drift. She never uttered a word or responded when I just said “well I guess I won’t answer that”. Now the point I’m coming to is that I obviously retrieved the phone from the bottom of the pool, to save the sim card if nothing else, but obviously continued the holiday WITHOUT the use of the phone. When I returned to work TEN days later & told people, expecting a right rollicking, they didn’t care a jot, my boss even sided with the missus & laughed, others said why didn’t you just switch the phone off? or we didn’t know you were on holiday. Oh yeh, good to be wanted / needed – indispensable? Did the ‘wheels’ stop? Did I plan ahead, manage people’s expectations? Nah. A bit rude & arrogant of me in hindsight. Come on, get real. It just ain’t worth it.
Mick Noonan  
#45 Posted : 24 September 2013 14:33:47(UTC)
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Mick Noonan

The issue here should not be whether or not I can be “converted” to agree with your opinion which, I must admit, is the most popular one. I simply have a different opinion and it’s one that’s every bit as valid. Clairel, although I can see that you believe your case to be water tight I remain unconvinced. The points put forward at #38 are each, in turn, either flawed or incorrect. To answer your first point, I never mentioned you by name at all. Secondly, your point regarding laptops and cameras is sensationalist at best. I’ve suggested that because work phone are provided then the company must follow this with reasonable expectation of use, including in the car. To suggest that I would also endorse use of the other items, while driving, is a cheap shot. Regarding smoking, drinking coffee etc. being held against you in court, this is, again, an exaggeration. You won’t be charged with drinking a coffee whilst driving or any of the other minor distractions we choose to bring into our cars with us. You will be charged with not being in reasonable control of your car (or whatever the legal definition is). In your final paragraph you suggest that I feel cars are dangerous anyway so we should do what we want. Nothing could be further from the truth. I would ask that you read my post at #37 again and consider that you may have misinterpreted. I did make the point that perhaps if we made driving illegal then lots of people could be saved. This was in direct response to a point made in earlier posts suggesting that making phone use (hands free or not) illegal would save lives and that it was therefore somehow justified. (I’m disappointed that I had to spell that out). On the subject of phone use in cars let me say this. I believe that the task of the driver (maintaining adequate levels of concentration towards performing the primary task of safely driving a car) is getting harder every year. As drivers we actively bring distractions into the car and there’s already plenty in there in the first place. For me, the real issue is the human factor. The ability of the driver to structure their experience so that the existing distractions are managed in the right way. Are distractions and or how to deal with them addressed during driver training? As a final note, l’d like to point out that I did find research that showed an improvement in driver performance as a direct result of having had a phone conversation. I should also add the research was based on the effect of phone conversations on the effects of fatigue/loss of concentration due to long, boring distance driving. I don’t consider this to be the final word on this topic, just an opinion to the contrary.
andrewcl  
#46 Posted : 24 September 2013 15:19:04(UTC)
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andrewcl

Pretty well everything else has been covered here, so I'd like to hit the subject from a different angle. Maybe we are just complacent about driving cars. Evidence to support this is the aforementioned things we do while driving and routinely exceeding speed limits. How many of us (yes, yes, me included) can claim to drive a car "the way we were trained to"? I'm certain we wouldn't speak on a phone while using any other kind of machine such as a forklift/lathe/drill etc. Maybe it's our complacency at the wheel that leads to varying levels of confidence relating to phone conversations while driving. Something else I picked up on is mentioned throughout the thread and that is what good is any kind of rule if there is no/limited resource to enforce it? On the regular side of the thread, I feel I need to lead by example in everything I do, so I switch off...
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