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has anyone any information on 'Grandfathers Rights', cant seem to find anything regarding this. We have several employee's this might be aimed at in-regards to working with machinery in a factory, so would like to have information to put on a training document.....thanks
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That's because grandfather rights don't exist anymore. The only one still in existence is for farmers spraying (not for profit) and that is disappearing in 2015. Technically it still sort of applies to farmers using chainsaws for agricultural operations. But other than that, no grandfather rights. Never was for machinery in factories anyway. Proof of training whether in-house of otherwise is always required.
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thanks Claire...only infomraiton I found on it, was regarding use of pesticides. Much appreicated
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I am a Radioactive Waste Adviser (RWA) as a result of "Grandfather Rights" as are many others. These "rights" run out in 2016 at which time I will have to meet the requirements of the new assessing body otherwise I lose my title.
So it depends on the context of the original posting but they do still exist.
Kevin
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my H&S Manager believes there still in existence, but ive no experience with this at all. You say they end in 2016, is there any evidence in a link you could put up. Would like to get some clarity. Thanks
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If you google RWA and grandfather rights you will get an explantion but this really is quite specific to the RWA role so I doubt that it will be of use to you.
Typical the rights are time limited to enable retraining/certification to meet modern standards/practices/legislation. Previously I had grandfather rights to be act as Radiation Protection Adviser and these were also time limited. I demonstrated my competence (a portfolio along the lines of the IOSH CPD) in the specified time period and was given full certification.
Kevin
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get you now. Yeah, my issue is we have an operative who cant get the specific training on a certain machine, although he has years and years of experience of using the machine. The company want the said employee to train other employees in its use. But my obvious issue was the operative in question has no formal training himself. Bit of a grey area.
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I'm sort of confused. What specific machine are you referring to?
I can't think of any machines in a factory that would require a formal certificate to operate. That's usually reserved for machines that are driven (FLT's) or high risk items such as chainsaws. In-house training is usually acceptable for machines, even woodworking machines (where you still get time served joiners, but even they need in-house training on safe use of a machine).
If you let us know the machine is question perhaps we can be more helpful?
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"grandfather rights" are still accorded to those who are significantly affected by changes in legislation or rules and are being given time to bring themselves up to standard on the new. Such temporary exemptions and time limits, will normally be specified in the legislation and can concern any industry or activity.
Personally, I was "grandfathered" into chartered status. I joined when about the only qualification required was a university degree (BA from OU) and was admitted as a "specialist" to MIOSH. Later, of course, as a member with up-to-date CPD, I was automatically upgraded to CMIOSH (now retired)
I don't think that, in real life, I am actually a grandfather. But that would depend on my unmarried son informing us of any change in his parental status.
Live long and prosper.
Merv
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Hi Emmet
I agree with the previous posters regarding "Grandfather Rights" in general, and specifically for machinery.
However, assuming that you're in the UK, may I suggest that a thorough consideration of MHSW Reg 7 & accompanying ACoP & Guidance could enable the adoption of Reg 7[5] "sufficent training & expertise" for this situation. Although primarily focussed on HS & OH, it could be "borrowed" & applied to the situation you identify - it is a clear H&S role that meets the general definition of "Health & Safety Assistance"
However, given the info provided, your real issue is ensuring that he is suitably competent as a trainer, assessor & validator - not that he should do all three without oversight [conflict of role].
Hope that helps
Frank Hallett
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