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hserc  
#1 Posted : 23 September 2013 09:23:43(UTC)
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hserc

I advise one of our call-centers and have been asked to consider a request from an operative to use a gym ball instead of a conventional office chair, as they "feel" it would allow them to be more comfortable and have other health benefits over an office chair. They cite lower back pain as a justifying reason. From what limited information I have, there are as many negatives as positives and the health benefits may well be outweighed by the health risks. Quite apart from this, the DSE regs require seating that is both stable and adjustable, characteristics that quite patently a gym ball would not normally have. Obviously this has to be tempered by making "reasonable adjustments" but even so, I struggle with the concept of a gym ball providing a stable seating solution - I would think they were inherently unstable. This also does not take into account any other factors such as getting the correct size of ball for the desk heights etc. Personally I don't see why a properly designed office chair, maybe a backless version, would not be every bit as good or better than a gym ball - coupled with advice to move around more, and to try incorporate changes of posture during the work. This along with advice to the user to get better advice from the medical profession, should be a more reasoned response. It's a pretty large call center (200+) and I want to ensure we have a properly considered response to this issue, otherwise we could end up with all sorts of "alternative" seating arrangements being requested. Any other views please?
Clairel  
#2 Posted : 23 September 2013 09:41:26(UTC)
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Clairel

I would say no. Whilst sitting on a swiss ball may have benefits for core muscles to do so for hours and hours (as I suspect is the case in a call centre) it could end up creating just as much stress on the body, as the muscles would be constantly tense. You cannot relax whilst sitting on a swiss ball (otherwise they wouldn;t be so useful for toning up the core muscles!) Furthermore what about when they are not sat on the ball? These things have a tendency to roll about. Next thing you know someone's playing giant football with it too. A properly adjustable chair with adequate rest breaks should be more than sufficient.
mike52  
#3 Posted : 23 September 2013 10:23:43(UTC)
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mike52

IMO the chair would be best, not just for clairel's comment about giant football, which sound like fun :) but have you thought if the person slips off the ball and hit their head against the desk behind. Mike
NickH  
#4 Posted : 23 September 2013 10:43:44(UTC)
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NickH

Why not suggest a kneeling chair as an alternative?
Peter_OC  
#5 Posted : 23 September 2013 11:47:26(UTC)
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Peter_OC

It may be a gym ball chair product that is being suggested http://www.johnlewis.com...p;tmad=c&tmcampid=73 Others are available - They have been around in the states for a while but not sure of the benefits/best usage. You get an exercise book to go with it. Peter
hserc  
#6 Posted : 23 September 2013 12:13:19(UTC)
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hserc

Interestingly, I had considered the football or sundry other uses the ball could be used for, after all - who could resist the temptation? I had not seen the ball-in-a-seat option, but remain to be convinced about the supposed health benefits for office use, when compared with a well designed and correctly adjusted office chair.
David Borland  
#7 Posted : 23 September 2013 12:27:11(UTC)
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David Borland

There must be some physios or perhaps "new age" gurus advising people that it is beneficial to use these at work as I had a similar request at my last place of work (and not) surprisingly it was one of the members of a call centre team who was making the request. The request was dealt with via the process of risk assessment - the aforementioned and very foreseeable risk of injury through falling off the ball and banging a head of surrounding furniture meant this wasn't a long or complex process! Our Occ Health Advisor at the time fully supported this. What we did allow was for the requester to use the ball in a designated "safe" area during their breaks and gave all relevant advice about keeping active, taking regular breaks etc. This solved the problem and never heard about it again & never did find out whether the "ball" was used during breaks or not. My money is on "not"!
Zimmy  
#8 Posted : 23 September 2013 12:56:24(UTC)
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Zimmy

Just when I think the Tramadol has worn off along comes someone rolling past riding a gym balland wearing pink stilettos.... happy days
Clairel  
#9 Posted : 23 September 2013 13:47:40(UTC)
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Clairel

nickh wrote:
Why not suggest a kneeling chair as an alternative?
Because there is some evidence that they do more harm than good.
jay  
#10 Posted : 23 September 2013 14:02:50(UTC)
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jay

However, sitting for extended periods, even with so called rest breaks may not be good for human health as we are not "designed" to sit all day, therefore adjustable workstations are becoming popular and supported by organisations that take the health of their employees seriously. Unfortunately, research on this subject by the European Commission so that the Display Screen Equipment can be suitably amended is years behind! http://www.wired.com/gad...for-a-new-standing-desk/ http://www.businessweek....chair-and-start-standing http://www.nytimes.com/2...-the-workplace.html?_r=0 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21076461
Fiona Anderson  
#11 Posted : 23 September 2013 14:11:16(UTC)
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Fiona Anderson

One of the employees in my office had a gym ball chair provided for him a few years ago. When the office was re-organised and he moved floors he didn't take the chair with him and has never used it again. Another employee requested one recently - he said that his physiotherapist recommended it. We swapped his chair for a different one in the office and never heard anything else. Another thing to consider is that a height adjustable desk will probably be needed with a gym ball type chair. I agree with 'Clairel' that a properly adjustable chair with adequate rest breaks should be more than sufficient. Can the employee be referred to occupational health or for an assessment by a third party - a specialist chair might be required.
Melrose80086  
#12 Posted : 23 September 2013 14:49:43(UTC)
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Melrose80086

Conduct a risk assessment showing pros and cons of both a "conventional" office chair with adjustable lumbar support etc and use of a fit ball instead. This should show you've considered the request but have determined that in that environment, the fit ball is not the best solution for this person [or get an ergonomist in to provide you with a report saying as much if you want extra "weight" attributed!]. In a past life (as a consultant ergonomist rather than some famous person from history), I would recommend a good conventional chair that was height / backrest height and tilt adjustable with decent padding and if they could, adjustable lumbar support such as an inflatable air bladder in the lumbar region that could be altered to suit the individual and provide a little bit extra support to the lower back if they had a pronounced lumbar lordosis. I would suggest they perhaps get a fit ball for the home (for watching the TV so they didn't collapse into the sofa and could do some exercise while in front of the box). A fit ball for the office is fine if; a) they have a conventional chair as well b) there is somewhere they can store the ball when not in use c) the floor is level so no chance of playing dodgeball along the office d) the floor has a decent carpet or covering with NO nails or tacks that could puncture it! e) there were no practical jokers in the office that would either decorate the ball or play football / basketball etc... :)
DaveDaniel  
#13 Posted : 24 September 2013 14:35:13(UTC)
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DaveDaniel

The work carried out by DR A C Mandal in the 1980's regarding seated work remains the leading work in this field. I would refer anyone to his highly readable book "The seated man - Homo Sedens" and his website. http://www.acmandal.com/ Gym balls do offer a more ergonomic seating solution than ordinary chairs and some find them useful. Alternately the use of Bambach saddle chairs or the raised, forward-inclined seating position recommended by Mandal can be useful. I've been recommending trying such seating where back problems are reported for years. I've seen such balls used in offices and if it works for the person using it.... Physios will recommend such things where back problems exist. Unfortunately most of us like to slouch in a conventional chair which probably has poor lumbar support etc.
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