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We use iPads on our construction site and recently been challenged on a request to purchase a proper noise meter comparing the costs against the price of an app.
Am I being reasonable for requesting a noise meter and meet the requirement or is the site operations justified in an app at a very competitive £1.49 that checks for peak exposure and daily averaged noise exposure.
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To be valid the measure needs to be taken with a calibrated meter,with a windshield to prevent unwanted inputs affecting the measurement. Appendix 1 to the Control of Noise at Work Regs.
The ipad / iPhone app gave a reading within 3dB when I compared with a calibrated meter. 3dB is too wide a margin for applying figures for measurements (in my opinion). I used them for 'rough order' measures then did proper measuring if it was with 3 below action levels.
It is unlikely that the ipad or phone apps would be viewed as sufficiently accurate if you were challenged on a hearing loss claim.
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The Apps should only be used as an indicator and not for accurate testing, any 'noise at work assessments' should be performed with at least a Class 2 noise meter which can display LAeq and C Peak.
The apps I have used also show approx 3dB lower (Half volume) so I would be very weary using these applications for workplace testing.
If purchasing costly equipment is an issue, have you considered hiring it instead? it work out around £20-£30 a day and will come with Calibration certificates for the sound level meter and calibrator.
See: http://www.noisemeters.c...k/hire/detail/cel244.asp which is also a useful site.
Cheers , Adam
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£1.49!!!
there is a free app :)
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These things are toys.
No competent person would contemplate their use
I'd consider it highly unprofessional to measure any safety significant inputs with anything other than a suitable calibrated measuring device.
Sorry if that sounds pompous
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aleeman wrote:
The Apps should only be used as an indicator
They are not even fit for that
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walker wrote:These things are toys.
No competent person would contemplate their use
I'd consider it highly unprofessional to measure any safety significant inputs with anything other than a suitable calibrated measuring device.
Sorry if that sounds pompous
Quite agree
Even your QA system should pick up on the fact you are using un calibrated measuring instuments.
As for any hint of using them for serious work upon which to defend a hearing loss claim etc, you would get laughed out of court.
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Agree with all comments re. the unsuitability of the I-pad app.
If you do end up buying/hiring make sure you get a kit that includes a self calibrator.
I would imagine nowadays most have data logging facility but this would be another must have in terms of analysing results.
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You might want to consider a kit with dose badges. These can be attached to workers in the area so that you can obtain a time weighted assessment specific to the tasks that they are involved in over a working day. I hired one of these kits (£156 for the week) The equipment includes software on a disc that you can download on to your computer. Each badge data can be downloaded producing graphs of the noise levels throughout the day.
There were 5 badges and a calibrator and with a bit of forward planning you can cover a lot of activities in a week.
Cheers Jim
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Quite scary what some IOSH members deem acceptable practice...............
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Thank you Everyone,
The response is valued.
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I have used a free app on an Android phone as a tool to persuade a client to carry out a "proper" noise survey. As a consultant I do not routinely carry a £2000 noise meter.
Yes these things can easily be 100% under on their readings but when >85dB is clearly displayed it is a great visual indicator of too much noise!
However to answer the OP then "Yes, I think you are being reasonable"
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That's all well and good David but suppose it works the other way.
I just tried one of these apps this morning in a Warehouse. The app showed a reading of 91 and the meter indicated 79. Accepting that a difference of 3db is double the noise level that is an outrageous error
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I followed a safety adviser from my primary contractor as he carried out a noise level assessment in the hydraulic plant room that serves our 2 aircraft hangars, which I requested. You could say that the app I used on my popular smart phone and the results from his 10K machine were comparable, but would i use that as evidence in a claims hearing... I don't think so!. Get the big boys in, with their big toys.
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But, he can clearly show that his kit has been calibrated and showing a correct reading, whereas yours.................enough said I think.
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